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Have JJ and Bowman had the worst 9 months in Oilers history?

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I can excuse broberg but that Holloway contract should have been an instant match. I know it’s beating a dead horse but god that grinded my gears
 
Pass the Saitl Sauce said:
I can excuse broberg but that Holloway contract should have been an instant match. I know it’s beating a dead horse but god that grinded my gears
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Why not wait another 4 days before making this thread.
A lot of doom n gloom here as if trade deadline has passed already.

Let's see what this management adds before I take my pitchfork out.
 
KeithIsActuallyBad said:
I don't care how good McDavid is, he shouldn't be influencing decisions at a managerial level, nor should they make moves based on him (such as hiring his former agent).

If McDavid truly said don't sign Holloway that's a really bad look.
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The biggest name in the league has some kind of influence on the make up of a team. It's nothing new. Happens in every league and usually that team does good. Lebron, Kobe etc
 
Canovin said:
The biggest name in the league has some kind of influence on the make up of a team. It's nothing new. Happens in every league and usually that team does good. Lebron, Kobe etc
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But he shouldn't. As much as I wouldn't trust our front office as far as I could throw them, he still doesn't have as much insight as we'd like him to. There's no reasonable explanation for him to say "Yeah don't sign Holloway, go get some crappy castoff wingers instead".
 
I would probably say a time during the period we refer to as the "decade of darkness" where the organization was record-setting incompetent for years on end

This team has to "turn things around" only slightly to win the division still.

Don't get me wrong, team is flawed, moves didn't really seem to work, need a goalie, but this is hyperbolic.
 
There were more blunders in free agency alone than there have been under Bowman and Jackson.

2011 - in rebuild mode, and we sign Ben Eager, Corey Potter, Darcy Hordichuk and Cam Barker and Eric Belanger as reinforcements. Fails all around
2012 - still in rebuild mode, and our only additions were Hordichuk, re-signing Ryan Smyth and Yann Danis.
2013 - This was supoosed to be the start of a new era. Tambellini was out, and MacT was in. Who did he bring in to help us? Taylor Fedun, Boyd Gordon, Andrew Ference, Jesse Joensuu, and AHL journeymen Will Acton, Ryan Hamilton, and Jason Labarabera. Not one of them was a good signing.
2014 - Mark Fayne, Keith Aulie, Luke Gazdic, Benoit Pouliot

So yeah, I'll take the past 9 months over any 9 month stretch in those years. The early 90s hurt as well, as we traded out Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Fuhr, Tikkanen, Lowe, Huddy, Beukeboom, and probably more, and ended up with a young team who really only ended up with Doug Weight, a pile of role players, and a string of talented guys who didn't spend much time on the team because they didn't want to be in Edmonton, (Damphousse, Corson, Nicholls, Adam Graves, etc).
 
KeithIsActuallyBad said:
But he shouldn't. As much as I wouldn't trust our front office as far as I could throw them, he still doesn't have as much insight as we'd like him to. There's no reasonable explanation for him to say "Yeah don't sign Holloway, go get some crappy castoff wingers instead".
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Or maybe Stan asked for his opinion. He's the captain. And while everyone took discounts, Holloway put himself before the team and waited for an offersheet. Teamed up with Broberg to screw the Oilers over. If I was captain, I want none of them back in the lockerroom.
 
NeverForget06 said:
I would probably say a time during the period we refer to as the "decade of darkness" where the organization was record-setting incompetent for years on end

This team has to "turn things around" only slightly to win the division still.

Don't get me wrong, team is flawed, moves didn't really seem to work, need a goalie, but this is hyperbolic.
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McDavid ensures we're always at bare minimum a playoff team, but I'm not convinced the front office is any better now than it was a decade ago because they still keep making the same mistakes.

Canovin said:
Or maybe Stan asked for his opinion. He's the captain. And while everyone took discounts, Holloway put himself before the team and waited for an offersheet. Teamed up with Broberg to screw the Oilers over. If I was captain, I want none of them back in the lockerroom.
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Players will almost always do what's in their best interests. A huge raise, more playing/growth opportunity, a quiet city to live in? What's not to like? We need to stop putting players on a pedestal like they aren't at least a little selfish. But seeing as we're talking about it, wonder how McDavid feels about the possibility of Kane screwing over the team's TDL plans? You want to talk selfish... That's it right there.
 
KeithIsActuallyBad said:
McDavid ensures we're always at bare minimum a playoff team, but I'm not convinced the front office is any better now than it was a decade ago because they still keep making the same mistakes.


Players will almost always do what's in their best interests. A huge raise, more playing/growth opportunity, a quiet city to live in? What's not to like? We need to stop putting players on a pedestal like they aren't at least a little selfish. But seeing as we're talking about it, wonder how McDavid feels about the possibility of Kane screwing over the team's TDL plans? You want to talk selfish... That's it right there.
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Not everyone is as greasy as Stone. Players want to play. Kane happens to want to play and play for the Oilers
 
KeithIsActuallyBad said:
If McDavid truly said that and they followed his advice then this team has deeper problems than we know.
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I don't agree with you all the time, but I certainly do here. If Connor McDavid is dictating the moves that our GM is making, that's not a good thing. It's important to keep him happy of course, and to listen when he has concerns, and even to respond to help with those concerns, but if something as little as signing an offer sheet is enough to get someone blackballed by McDavid, then its not good. I don't really want to believe that this happened though, I hope it was a decision made by management. It was a mistake either way, but at least if it was purely a management decision, we know our star players aren't making decisions outside of their area of expertise as well.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
I don't agree with you all the time, but I certainly do here. If Connor McDavid is dictating the moves that our GM is making, that's not a good thing. It's important to keep him happy of course, and to listen when he has concerns, and even to respond to help with those concerns, but if something as little as signing an offer sheet is enough to get someone blackballed by McDavid, then its not good. I don't really want to believe that this happened though, I hope it was a decision made by management. It was a mistake either way, but at least if it was purely a management decision, we know our star players aren't making decisions outside of their area of expertise as well.
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I don't think for a second McDavid said that, but if it's true... Yeah.

Canovin said:
Not everyone is as greasy as Stone. Players want to play. Kane happens to want to play and play for the Oilers
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We're long past the point of caring about being boy scouts. The goal is to win. Kane playing basically ensures we finish behind Vegas as we can't make any meaningful additions to the team. And if we finish behind Vegas... Just see 2023 for how that turned out.
 
KeithIsActuallyBad said:
I don't think for a second McDavid said that, but if it's true... Yeah.


We're long past the point of caring about being boy scouts. The goal is to win. Kane playing basically ensures we finish behind Vegas as we can't make any meaningful additions to the team. And if we finish behind Vegas... Just see 2023 for how that turned out.
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Kane playing isn't a bad thing. He was really the only positive at the beginning of last season. And if he happens to be as good as ever, that's exactly the player we need and get back in game shape before the playoffs
 
Canovin said:
Kane playing isn't a bad thing. He was really the only positive at the beginning last season. And if he happens to be as good as ever, that's exactly the player we neneed.
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Agreed. I hope this team has figured out from this offseason, that change for the sake of change can be detrimental. I don't trust them to target the right players either.
 
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Canovin said:
Kane playing isn't a bad thing. He was really the only positive at the beginning of last season. And if he happens to be as good as ever, that's exactly the player we need and get back in game shape before the playoffs
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If he prevents meaningful roster upgrades then yes it's a bad thing, especially since he hasn't played hockey in about a year after multiple injuries.

We really should temper our expectations about his effectiveness.
 
KeithIsActuallyBad said:
If he prevents meaningful roster upgrades then yes it's a bad thing, especially since he hasn't played hockey in about a year after multiple injuries.

We really should temper our expectations about his effectiveness.
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4th liners and bottom pairing D from the rumours out there is not meaningful upgrades. Better off playing Kane and keeping our assets.
 
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