Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI

[Shesterkybomb]

Looks like Strome won't come as cheap as some think around here. I don;t think $4-$4.2m per is going to cut it.

Say your goodbye's now.

Strome has failed in two other markets, he has a good thing here. I would figure he would be more amicable to a more friendly deal imo.

 

[Edge]

DeAngelo has perceived baggage whether its warranted or not at this age, it's there and he was a bad year from nobody touching him. There will be teams that feel we have control of him and he is a fit here and they may not want to take the risk. So if it were another player who played the same as DeAngelo, whether it's right or wrong they would likely have more value.

I’m going to respectively disagree on the baggage component. I have to tell you that I never hear or read anything about the baggage like I read on here. In hockey circles it’s pretty much a non-issue. It’s kind of like what high school you went to.

By 23/24, nobody cares and you should be starting to put together an actual resume. Likewise, if you’re good at what you do, your value is determined by that.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Strome has failed in two other markets, he has a good thing here. I would figure he would be more amicable to a more friendly deal imo.

@ as a solid $1m per?

I agree with the consensus. Anything over $4m'ish is a tough pill to swallow for *this* team and it's depths vs. cap structure plus commitments going forward.

Strome would need to fire his agent because I can't see anyone on the business side giving up $1m per year, let alone $5-$6m for the life of the contract, even *if* Strome was amicable.

 

[Avery16]

There is more wishful thinking on this thread than I see anywhere else. It's rather uplifting.

 

[pld459666]

Is our more pressing need really center?

Actually, I'd prefer to wait it out until we know if that's true. If Chytil keeps this up and progresses a bit more, we have 1st and 2nd line centers.

I believe it is.

Still believe that Chytil will be better suited on the wing

 

[pld459666]

That was a sweet pass by Fox.

Waited for the defender closest to Mika to move his stick out of the passing lane and sauced a perfect feed to Mika.

That can get Mika jump started which would be huge for this team.

 

[Leetch3]

I’m going to respectively disagree on the baggage component. I have to tell you that I never hear or read anything about the baggage like I read on here. In hockey circles it’s pretty much a non-issue. It’s kind of like what high school you went to.

By 23/24, nobody cares and you should be starting to put together an actual resume. Likewise, if you’re good at what you do, your value is determined by that.

nobody likes you when you're 23...

 

[Leetch3]

Is our more pressing need really center?

Actually, I'd prefer to wait it out until we know if that's true. If Chytil keeps this up and progresses a bit more, we have 1st and 2nd line centers.

I think panarin has proven that you get the best player available, the whole 'centers are more important thing' seems laughable watching him play...

that said though and while I love chytil's play since he returns, he is far from a sure thing and I think you can never have too many centers. (or d)...so if the opportunity presents itself to get a stud center you do it...if chytil ends up being the real deal I'll worry about dealing with the 'problem' of having too many guys then

 

[Barnaby]

I love the idea but I don’t think there’s much of a chance they move Glass. Krebs might be an attractive alternative.

If I remember correctly there was a lot smoke around the Rangers and Krebs at the draft.

The only way I’m trading ADA today is if I expect him to regress - I don’t... or I’m bringing in a younger center (A Turcotte or Zegras type) that I foresee becoming a top line pivot or a defenseman I see being a 1LD (Byram type). If not, I’m content to enjoy my 50-60 point RD.

 

[Barnaby]

I know someone shot this down before, but considering the value a commodity that an RHD with 50 point capability has, I don’t believe asking for a prospect like Turcotte or Zegras is outlandish or unreasonable.

I think it’s a reasonable request, but I doubt those guys get moved. I can’t see LA or ANA moving those kids any time soon.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

The only limitation is on buyouts outside the regular period. In other words, buyouts that are done after arbitration, like Shatty was. Teams are only allowed 3 of those during the life of the current CBA. That was our 1st. During the regular period, we can buy out as many players as we want.

Thank you very much.

So we will most definitely buy out Smith and Staal. Both no brainers really.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Thank you very much.

So we will most definitely buy out Smith and Staal. Both no brainers really.

My guess is Staal yes, Smith no.

 

[Ola]

I would be surprised if Kreider didn't get 7x7 as a UFA if he went to the highest bidder. He is a good all-around player nowadays. Good on the forecheck. Good at getting to lose pucks, and remarkably improved as to what to do with those lose pucks. Distributes them well in the attacking zone which is important. Of course he has the speed and is a danger of the rush.

GMs will value that, he is a sure-fire contributor. And as soon as you start to go below 7m you are not even getting that. Its not a matter of what he is "worth", its just a simple pragmatic decision by GMs for teams that has money to spend. Often these GMs job is on the line in the near future, and odds are that they won't be around for the tail-end of these contracts.

But if he want to stay for like the Charlie Coyle contract, 5.25m for 6 years, or a little more, I am sure he would be a good keep.

 

[Ola]

I believe it is.

Still believe that Chytil will be better suited on the wing

The job description for a center can be pretty fluid, so its hard to say that someone absolutely must play center and not wing. But a problem with Chytil on the wing is that he can't use that top speed of his coming from behind carrying the puck nearly as much. He also don't have that extreme acceleration that would make him a big threat on the rush. His role would be smaller on the wing. More of a big body around the boards that can contribute in the attacking zone, and of course at times be able to go deep to build up speed so that he can carry the puck.

 

[DutchShamrock]

You didn’t.

Instead you suggested something that Quinn would do that actually contradicted his direct statement, as recent as a day ago. And we all know it’s because of Lias.
If he’s your boy you should “establish” tougher standards for him and expect more from than anyone else around here. Doing the opposite is not going to be a good look on you.

This post didn't age well. You turned speculation into an attack.

So is @Amazing Kreiderman blinded by bias or does he maybe possess some insight?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This post didn't age well. You turned speculation into an attack.

So is @Amazing Kreiderman blinded by bias or does he maybe possess some insight?

All I said was "Let's wait and see".

 

[kovazub94]

This post didn't age well. You turned speculation into an attack.

So is @Amazing Kreiderman blinded by bias or does he maybe possess some insight?

Huh?

Do I need to explain to you the insinuation of @Amazing Kreiderman ‘s musing in the post I was addressing or you can try to figure it out yourself?

 

[kovazub94]

That was a sweet pass by Fox.

Waited for the defender closest to Mika to move his stick out of the passing lane and sauced a perfect feed to Mika.

That can get Mika jump started which would be huge for this team.

With Strome’s “assistance” if you were paying attention.
I pointed that while watching the game with my son and then Vally did the breakdown in one of his segments.

 

[Mikos87]

I can't think of the last time this has happened for the Rangers. But with Marc Staal out, the Rangers have been icing 6 defensemen that can all skate and make plays with the puck.

The offense is coming from the backend, and the rookies are playing a big part. But it's refreshing to watch a team where the pace of play is higher due to all 6 backend players' ability.

Still giving up 35+ shots a game every night, and not rolling 4 lines. But the brief glimpse of having 6 defenders that can skate a make a play is a first for the Rangers in a very long time, if ever.

 

[RGY]

Happy Turkey Day Everyone.




Now Gorts go get Josh Anderson. Team No Days Off

 

[NYRFANMANI]

My guess is Staal yes, Smith no.

There is no reason not to, unless someone bites and trades for Smith at 50% ... which would be fine, but I consider it impossible.

We owe Smith 4.35m for the 20-21 season, the buyout in total would be 3.566m. 2.783m in 20-21 and 0.783m in 21-22.

I don't see any reason we shouldn't open up that other roster spot, save some money and nerves.

 

[Vitto79]

I’d talk to Strome and Fast now and see if they will take team friendly extensions

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I can't think of the last time this has happened for the Rangers. But with Marc Staal out, the Rangers have been icing 6 defensemen that can all skate and make plays with the puck.

The offense is coming from the backend, and the rookies are playing a big part. But it's refreshing to watch a team where the pace of play is higher due to all 6 backend players' ability.

Still giving up 35+ shots a game every night, and not rolling 4 lines. But the brief glimpse of having 6 defenders that can skate a make a play is a first for the Rangers in a very long time, if ever.

It’s going to be interesting when Staal comes back soon. Sam and Joe said he was skating and will be ready soon. Let’s be honest, he doesn’t deserve to be in the lineup at this point. We all know it, that’s one of the few things we all agree on here lol. Management has to know that as well. They can’t be that blind. So if the fans know, and management knows, there’s only one conclusion: 7th dman. He can still help groom the younger guys because he’s well respected. Management has to have a sit down with him. Retire at the end of the year and get the Brad Richards alumni gig kush job.

 

[Fitzy]

Strome is having a career year, I would think he'd want to get every penny out of the biggest contract he's gonna get in his career.

Somebody desperate his gonna pay him 2nd line center money, in the ballpark of 7x5.7

Were I Strome if nyr didn't pony up I'd take the one year arbitration deal and head straight to ufa.

I don't think we should resign him. I think we should absolutely move him for prospects while his value is high.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I would be surprised if Kreider didn't get 7x7 as a UFA if he went to the highest bidder. He is a good all-around player nowadays. Good on the forecheck. Good at getting to lose pucks, and remarkably improved as to what to do with those lose pucks. Distributes them well in the attacking zone which is important. Of course he has the speed and is a danger of the rush.

GMs will value that, he is a sure-fire contributor. And as soon as you start to go below 7m you are not even getting that. Its not a matter of what he is "worth", its just a simple pragmatic decision by GMs for teams that has money to spend. Often these GMs job is on the line in the near future, and odds are that they won't be around for the tail-end of these contracts.

But if he want to stay for like the Charlie Coyle contract, 5.25m for 6 years, or a little more, I am sure he would be a good keep.

@Ola I respect the hell out of you and always enjoy reading your posts but man I couldn't disagree with you more about keeping krieder even on your so called team friendly deal. He is overrated and he is the last player I want to give a long term deal like that to. He needs to be traded at the deadline. Let him be the contract that other teams want to buy out in a few years.