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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI

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NYRFANMANI said:
There is no reason not to, unless someone bites and trades for Smith at 50% ... which would be fine, but I consider it impossible.

We owe Smith 4.35m for the 20-21 season, the buyout in total would be 3.566m. 2.783m in 20-21 and 0.783m in 21-22.

I don't see any reason we shouldn't open up that other roster spot, save some money and nerves.
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I actually don’t think the Rangers will be too eager to buyout Smith. Here’s why: having Smith allowed the team to carry one less defenseman. Buying out Smith essentially would require to carry an extra defenseman at a cost while giving a savings of about $1.5m against the cap. From this perspective the savings will be minimal and will take away a penalty killer and an in-game insurance in case there’s an injury to a defenseman.
 
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Fitzy said:
Strome is having a career year, I would think he'd want to get every penny out of the biggest contract he's gonna get in his career.

Somebody desperate his gonna pay him 2nd line center money, in the ballpark of 7x5.7

Were I Strome if nyr didn't pony up I'd take the one year arbitration deal and head straight to ufa.

I don't think we should resign him. I think we should absolutely move him for prospects while his value is high.
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I tend to be distrustful of players that have career years coincidentally during contract years
 
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Strome is a no-brainer to move. Where does he fit in the future of this line-up? Mika is the #1, Chytil looks like he wants to run away with #2. I don't like the idea of paying Strome 2C money then putting him on a wing somewhere. That's without even considering other prospects like Andersson and Kravtsov. Even if he has finally put it together, he's more valuable as an asset than roster player.

Out this year:

Strome (Trade)
Kreider (Trade)
Haley
McKegg
Georgiev (Trade)

Re-sign:

DeAngelo
Lemieux

Maybe Re-sign:

Fast

Explore moving:

Skjei
 
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Edge said:
You know it's funny, I've seen Kreider come up a few times, and I'm seeing the comparisons --- both for positive, and frankly, not so positive reasons.

At the end of the day, I have to ask myself, which type of player is harder to find: a 20/50 type forward, or a 20/60 type RHD? So in that regard it's ADA.

Then I have to ask myself, who do I think is more dynamic, Tuch or ADA? I find ADA to be the more dynamic player --- he's a tone setter.

It's game 7 and we're heading to OT. Who do I want on the ice to try and win me the game? Gotta go with ADA there.

So in my mind, I start tallying it up, and I just don't think there's enough there for me to make that deal straight up.
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I agree...he has the wheels and skills that makes him a game changer . People tend to forget that this kid was once the Top defenseman in all of Canadian Major Junior...the number one feeder league in the World. He had some issues but seems to have worked /matured around them which was a HUGE bonus for us . Lets just enjoy what he brings to our team right now . LOL....but if they want to trade Kreider for Josh A.....I'm all behind that movement even if it costs us a wee bit more . I think Josh A brings much the same offense but makes the opposition pay a higher price along the boards /corners/net front.....and likely be a cheaper signing long term . We have to add muscle into our top 9 guys at some point .....playoffs are not all figure skating .
 
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We're finally in a spot where we can have someone like Nils Lundkvist marinate and develop at lower levels instead of being thrust into the lineup and everyone is ready to move DeAngelo for him.

I'd rather Nils get another SHL year, maybe time in Hartford too.

We're seeing what happens when you put 21 year olds on our left side, and while Hajek and Lindgren have shown well at times, it wouldn't be the worst thing to have them at a lower level (Hajek more than Lindgren) and develop.

Unless something changes, DeAngelo's value won't really drop over the next two years. If Nils forces our hand, we shouldn't be moving anyone out for him
 
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What a difference 18 mths can make....Breadman-KK-Fox-ADA-Trouba-Shestyorkin-Rykov-Lemieux...sure makes for some great conversation . Imagine how hard it must really be for a GM and his staff while having to deal with 15 other guys on the club and the long term guys like Staal and the King and pending UFA guys like CK.....must be on some good ulcer medication LOL....
 
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JimmyG89 said:
We're finally in a spot where we can have someone like Nils Lundkvist marinate and develop at lower levels instead of being thrust into the lineup and everyone is ready to move DeAngelo for him.

I'd rather Nils get another SHL year, maybe time in Hartford too.

We're seeing what happens when you put 21 year olds on our left side, and while Hajek and Lindgren have shown well at times, it wouldn't be the worst thing to have them at a lower level (Hajek more than Lindgren) and develop.

Unless something changes, DeAngelo's value won't really drop over the next two years. If Nils forces our hand, we shouldn't be moving anyone out for him
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Nobody is moving him for Lundqvist. Its weighing the cost of signing DeAngelo long term vs just giving Fox more ice time and bringing in a cheaper player to play on the 3rd pair like Lundqvist or Keane. If you have to give Deangelo 6 or 7 years at 5 or 6+ then that contract can come back and bite you at some point especially since we have a guy we can put behind Trouba already in Fox and then one of our younger players comes up and can fill an spot at the league minimum. It's not Lunqvist that would replace DeAngelo...its Fox.
 
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One thing I do wanna comment on is how well Lindgren developed in this organization. Seeing him last year I believed he was too slow speed wise and too slow moving the puck and felt he would be a lifer in the AHL. The guy really put the work in this summer and he has been exactly what we needed, and it's possible he gets better and better as well, as each night he looks more and more comfortable.
 
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It's hard to tell yet whether it is Trouba or DeAngelo who become superflous with the emergence of Fox. Trouba has size that the other two don't and DeAngelo is the best offensively, at least 5v5. It's too early to call, but if I had to trade one of ADA and Trouba right now it would be Trouba since I believe Fox would be able carry the defensive role better than Trouba and therefore Fox+ADA is a more potent combo than Fox+Trouba. My feeling is that Fox is going to play ahead of Trouba sooner rather than later regardless of what happens with ADA.

However the optimal solution would be that one was able to play the left side, which we haven't tried yet. A Fox-Trouba or DeAngelo-Fox pairing would be very interesting to see.
 
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Blue Blooded said:
It's hard to tell yet whether it is Trouba or DeAngelo who become superflous with the emergence of Fox. Trouba has size that the other two don't and DeAngelo is the best offensively, at least 5v5. It's too early to call, but if I had to trade one of ADA and Trouba right now it would be Trouba since I believe Fox would be able carry the defensive role better than Trouba and therefore Fox+ADA is a more potent combo than Fox+Trouba. My feeling is that Fox is going to play ahead of Trouba sooner rather than later regardless of what happens with ADA.

However the optimal solution would be that one was able to play the left side, which we haven't tried yet. A Fox-Trouba or DeAngelo-Fox pairing would be very interesting to see.
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The ADA/Fox problem is the best kind of problem but none of this makes the most experienced, steady defenseman on the team superfluous. Trouba will have to suck for a while before that happens. We can have a beast set of RD. Pay ADA and see if Lundqvist's emergence will force a move.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
One thing I do wanna comment on is how well Lindgren developed in this organization. Seeing him last year I believed he was too slow speed wise and too slow moving the puck and felt he would be a lifer in the AHL. The guy really put the work in this summer and he has been exactly what we needed, and it's possible he gets better and better as well, as each night he looks more and more comfortable.
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I see lindgren becoming the next Michael sauer
 
I think most people are expecting more players getting traded away than there actually will be...
 
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Alluckks said:
I think most people are expecting more players getting traded away than there actually will be...
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Personally I think ADA will price himself out of here. Kreider might take a discount but if he doesnt he is gone too...I dont see anyone else leaving.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Personally I think ADA will price himself out of here. Kreider might take a discount but if he doesnt he is gone too...I dont see anyone else leaving.
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There is no way on earth I’m dumping ADA because of his next deal then handing over a massive deal to CK. He impacts the game less than ADA, wingers are easier to find, and the contract is riskier due to age. Discount or not, I’ll take the package of futures for CK.
 
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Musto said:
The ADA/Fox problem is the best kind of problem but none of this makes the most experienced, steady defenseman on the team superfluous. Trouba will have to suck for a while before that happens. We can have a beast set of RD. Pay ADA and see if Lundqvist's emergence will force a move.
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I agree...it's not a bad problem to have ....Worse come to worst ...we could always trade the Swedish kid if deemed as necessary . As far as talking about contracts potentially biting us in the ass down the road....the Trouba deal without a doubt has that sewn up in the back half of the deal . He could not hit the net now if it was doubled in size on his point blasts . I also think his defensive play is somewhat overrated by some on here . He certainly does not stand out like a younger Girardi did for us . Fox and ADA could be our 94 version of Zubov/Leetch in 2-3 years time . I'm not interested in seeingone of two like that shipped out . I don't think scrimping on D dollars is going to save you anything when all said and done . Championship clubs are build from the back end out .
 
JimmyG89 said:
We're finally in a spot where we can have someone like Nils Lundkvist marinate and develop at lower levels instead of being thrust into the lineup and everyone is ready to move DeAngelo for him.

I'd rather Nils get another SHL year, maybe time in Hartford too.

We're seeing what happens when you put 21 year olds on our left side, and while Hajek and Lindgren have shown well at times, it wouldn't be the worst thing to have them at a lower level (Hajek more than Lindgren) and develop.

Unless something changes, DeAngelo's value won't really drop over the next two years. If Nils forces our hand, we shouldn't be moving anyone out for him
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I've joked some about this in the past, but its important to remember that we must really look at all players productions in a context -- and NOT only by adjusting for negative factors.

Some of those factors are:
*Nils Lundkvist is one of 8 Ds on Luleå's roster, and the only RHS. They have 7 LHS and 1 RHS. By definition he is the only one to turn to when you need a RHS offensively.

*NL have played a ton. He is 16th overall in ice-time in the SHL. That is of course positive for production.

*Luleå is really good at 2nd overall in the standings.

On the other side of the equation you have only super positive factors:
*2nd overall in D scoring.

*Used a ton in all situations.

*Etc etc etc etc.

Going just by production, you might expect a kid that you just are totally blown away by on the ice in the SHL. But that isn't really the case with Nils L. I would definitely rank NL behind both Fox and TDA. But OTOH, I am really impressed by those two.
 
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You sign ada.. Fox is on elc for 2 more years.. DeAngelo resigns a 5/6 year deal Fox is still under control for 4-5 years of deangelos deal.. why would you trade.. 60 min game can have a balance of all 3

unless Chytil doesn’t improve then I would explore trading a rhd for a top 6 center
 
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cd211 said:
You sign ada.. Fox is on elc for 2 more years.. DeAngelo resigns a 5/6 year deal Fox is still under control for 4-5 years of deangelos deal.. why would you trade.. 60 min game can have a balance of all 3

unless Chytil doesn’t improve then I would explore trading a rhd for a top 6 center
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If the concern is he’ll be too expensive, I get it. He held out for a 100k this summer with no leverage. He could be a bitch to negotiate with next summer.

If it’s because we have too many RHDs, that’s dumb. Keep your good players, they can probably adapt to their offside.
 
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