Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI

[bobbop]

Wow, didn't realize Josh Anderson was having such a horrible start to this season. If Columbus was to trade him, I'd be intrigued.

He’s a top of the list target for me.

 

[NYR]

Given your utter inability to back up anything you say or even have a decent rebuttal, this is a long shot, but perhaps you can point me to the store that "everyone" goes to?

Oops..I must've set off another trigger point.
My bad

 

[Thirty One]

I, too, am not going to work for the Rangers.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Really interesting last couple of pages. This is the sort of stuff that keeps me coming back to HFNYR despite the occasional craziness.

I agree that there's no need to be looking at trading ADA now. But as I've said before, I do think *eventually* he'll be the one to go on the right side. And at such a time, Alex Tuch is exactly the kind of guy I'd target. And like @TheDirtyH, I think it'd be a good, fair hockey trade based on what we know now.

I get the arguments in favor of DeAngelo deserving more value. But here's why I think it's pretty darn close to fair:

1) Sure, DeAngelo's dynamic, and if I'm in a regular season game heading to OT, I want him on the ice, no question. But a PO game 7, 5v5...? I can see him just as easily being the guy throwing his head back and cursing in front of the net as I can being the guy at the center of the celebratory scrum in the corner.

2) Tuch brings his own version of dynamism: similar to what Kreider brings when he's on. That's not as obvious as a PMD racing up from the backend with the puck on his stick, but can be just as impactful. And since Kreider is almost assuredly leaving, it's a dynamic that is likely to be extremely lacking in this organization going forward; as opposed to offensively capable D (on both sides), where we seem to have a surplus.

3) Tuch is signed to an EXCELLENT 7 x $4.75MM contract. And whether it takes 1, 2, or 3 different deals, I'm guessing Tony's going to eat up a lot more of your cap over the next 7 years...

Obviously, all of this is subject to change as we watch both players develop, but if for some reason I had to make a deal now, I think this would make a lot of sense.

Couldn't have said it better. Point 2 is on my mind as far as why tuch being called a 50point forward is imo underselling him and particularly his use to us.

Point 3 is the kicker tho and the biggest equalizer

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I would want a better piece coming back for ADA than Tuch. Assuming he hits 50-60 pts this year.

 

[bobbop]

There’s one additional problem working for a team.

You can lose your job in an instant through no fault of your own. Your performance may be good but when things go bad for a team, no matter who is at fault, people lose their jobs. Even worse, ownership changes. That usually leads to a housecleaning. You do not control your own destiny.

Having been collateral damage on two occasions (and the victim of ridiculous circumstances with a third team) it can come down to a choice of changing careers or changing wives.

 

[bobbop]

Just checking in on the Tuch conversation....I see him a lot and like him but not enough straight up for ADA. He’s a good player with some additional upside.

I wouldn’t lose the thought of ADA to Las Vegas though. They could really use a PP QB. Maybe there’s a different or expanded deal there.

 

[kovazub94]

Getting cents on a dollar in today’s currency is ok when you’re moving a vet to overturn your roster for something that would be a better fit well down the road.
ADA is not that, so a full value associated with an offensive RD must come backs.

 

[GAGLine]

Just checking in on the Tuch conversation....I see him a lot and like him but not enough straight up for ADA. He’s a good player with some additional upside.

I wouldn’t lose the thought of ADA to Las Vegas though. They could really use a PP QB. Maybe there’s a different or expanded deal there.

Something around Glass maybe? Glass, Holden and a pick for ADA and Fast? Though TBH, I'm not really keen on trading ADA at this point. It may happen at some point, but there's no rush. Let someone prove they can replace him first.

 

[Tawnos]

Something around Glass maybe? Glass, Holden and a pick for ADA and Fast? Though TBH, I'm not really keen on trading ADA at this point. It may happen at some point, but there's no rush. Let someone prove they can replace him first.

I think one way or another, they can/should wait until Fox is up for his next contract.

 

[bobbop]

Something around Glass maybe? Glass, Holden and a pick for ADA and Fast? Though TBH, I'm not really keen on trading ADA at this point. It may happen at some point, but there's no rush. Let someone prove they can replace him first.

I love the idea but I don’t think there’s much of a chance they move Glass. Krebs might be an attractive alternative.

 

[duhmetreE]

Just checking in on the Tuch conversation....I see him a lot and like him but not enough straight up for ADA. He’s a good player with some additional upside.

I wouldn’t lose the thought of ADA to Las Vegas though. They could really use a PP QB. Maybe there’s a different or expanded deal there.

You have sources there? They moved Brannstrom last year... would they move Glass this year?

Is there pressure to replicate/produce results?

 

[doomscroll]

I wouldn’t want to give up significant pieces to try and remedy the hole at center unless the return was a young player who projects to be better than Chytil, and anyone at that level is certainly untouchable. There are always center options in free agency.

 

[SA16]

If Alex Tuch remains at his current level and Tony DeAngelo becomes one of the best offensive defenseman in the league then I agree that’s a bad move. Does this seem like likely outcome?

 

[bobbop]

You have sources there? They moved Brannstrom last year... would they move Glass this year?

Is there pressure to replicate/produce results?

Yes, there is pressure to produce results. A surprisingly large amount of pressure.

That said, I don’t think it’s enough pressure to move away from Glass.

Sources? Does Macy’s tell Gimbels? (no sources inside Vegas org but one good source who has a good view into their org)

 

[wafflepadsave]

He’s a top of the list target for me.

Can we see the list?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Well, while 60 is the benchmark that is often pointed to, even 50ish hasn’t happened for us since some of our prospects were in diapers. So I don’t think anyone should dismiss 50 as if it were a regular occurrence.

Beyond that, I’m not entirely sure ADA is the finished product. I think there’s still some runway there. So even if he’s a 50 point defenseman this year, I’m not convinced those numbers don’t get a bump as he and his teammates around him mature.

All of this sounds like I don’t appreciate a guy like Tuch. I do.

But if I am trading a defenseman capable of scoring 50 points, I feel like I better be getting back a forward capable of more points — not the same or less.

I know someone shot this down before, but considering the value a commodity that an RHD with 50 point capability has, I don’t believe asking for a prospect like Turcotte or Zegras is outlandish or unreasonable.

 

[duhmetreE]

I know someone shot this down before, but considering the value a commodity that is an RHD with 50 point capability has, I don’t believe asking for a prospect like Turcotte or Zegras is outlandish or unreasonable.

That's the only type of player(s) I'd target. Especially if one hits on Byfield

Is ADA+Strome for Glass fair value?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Would you guys do Strome for Zadorov?

 

[Edge]

I know someone shot this down before, but considering the value a commodity that is an RHD with 50 point capability has, I don’t believe asking for a prospect like Turcotte or Zegras is outlandish or unreasonable.

If ADA scores 50+ points? IMO, no, it’s not unreasonable.

But I say that with a caveat; I don’t think that’s what they’d get. I have a feeling that the new car value of those two makes it a move that isn’t likely to happy, and more likely to generate strong reactions on these birds.

 

[Ghost of jas]

That's the only type of player(s) I'd target. Especially if one hits on Byfield

Is ADA+Strome for Glass fair value?

I think it’s an overpayment.

 

[Avery16]

So much for Howden as 4C or Chytil as 3C. This was, in fact the most predictable outcome:

 

[Edge]

So much for Howden as 4C or Chytil as 3C. This was, in fact the most predictable outcome:

And I think how Strome performs on the wings could go a long way in establishing his trade value.

 

[Kocur Dill]

The Boston Bruins have re-signed forward Charlie Coyle to a 6-year, $31.5 million contract extension with an AAV of $5.25 million.

Looks like Strome won't come as cheap as some think around here. I don;t think $4-$4.2m per is going to cut it.

Say your goodbye's now.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

DeAngelo has perceived baggage whether its warranted or not at this age, it's there and he was a bad year from nobody touching him. There will be teams that feel we have control of him and he is a fit here and they may not want to take the risk. So if it were another player who played the same as DeAngelo, whether it's right or wrong they would likely have more value.