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Keep the course. Don't trade two high picks and a high 3rd for one good young player.
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Ghost of jas
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It's not a bad offer. The Leafs get a guy who can provide a similar level of offense to what they got from Nylander last season. They also bolster their blue line with a building block on a good contract that's cheaper than what Gardiner will ask for.
I think a lot of this is Dubas trying to make a statement. If he folds he's probably worried he will lose leverage over Marner and Mathews.
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Zuc and Skjei and let's for argument sake say the Tampa conditional pick is a fireable offense for a GM to accept.
I'd be utterly shocked if Dubas accepted that. Even if they wait to trade him later in the year to a rebuilding team, those assets can be used as ammunition or currency for playoffs runs in the next 2-3 years for TML.
I'd be utterly shocked if Dubas accepted that. Even if they wait to trade him later in the year to a rebuilding team, those assets can be used as ammunition or currency for playoffs runs in the next 2-3 years for TML.
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Nylander would be our best player going forward and only 22. Theres no guarantee any of those picks get someone we can build around, you can build around nylander.
Thats highly questionable.
Plus it isn't Nylander vs a 1st 2nd and 3rd....
Its Nylander @ 8.5-9 mill over 7 or 8 vs a 1st (almost for sure going to be top 10, possibly top 5) a 2nd and a 3rd. That 1st has a decent shot at being on the team next year on an ELC.
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I offer him 8 over 5 years and it's not questionable that Nylander is better than any prospect we currently have. Unless Kravtsov is a superstar we are lacking in that area. I also doubt we pick any higher than 9th or 10th.
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Realistically it's probably O'Gara or Gilmour that would get the call.
That's something to chew on with a potential deal involving Skjei. Staal is being treated as the #1 LHD anyway, then there's Smith and Claesson behind him at the NHL level. Then there's an abundance of LHD in the system that can be called up to backfill minutes. McQuaid is coming back soon, so its not like depth will be gone from the system in dealing Skjei for a good, young talent.
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I think dearth is the oppsoite of what you want there, unless I'm misunderstanding.
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If I was Gorton my plan had to include obtaining at least one of Panarin or Nylander. Outside of forwards already on the team there is only Kravtsov who is in a 7.5A / 8.0B or higher ranking and then there’s a gap until a group that’s likely bottom line ranking. A lot more depth on the defense, especially the left side. Hayes likely brings a decent defenseman back too.
I’d offer Skjei and how much worse is he compared to whoever Carolina offered? Zuke is a decent add. With Toronto he’d probably be agreeable to sign a team friendly extension, and it’s not unreasonable to expect Zuke to be decent for at least 2-3 years which is what a team in a win now mode should be looking for. Add a mid-round pick and / or a good B-prospect.
I’d offer Skjei and how much worse is he compared to whoever Carolina offered? Zuke is a decent add. With Toronto he’d probably be agreeable to sign a team friendly extension, and it’s not unreasonable to expect Zuke to be decent for at least 2-3 years which is what a team in a win now mode should be looking for. Add a mid-round pick and / or a good B-prospect.
I think we were really expecting Lindgren and Hajek both to be NHL ready within a year of their acquisition. I don't know thats the case at the moment, and now were in a bit of a jam. Smith's effectiveness is still sporadic. Staal is Staal. Skjei hasnt played as a 1LD, which was over-expecting, frankly. Shattenkirk hasn't played as a 1RD, and I am starting to believe that also was over-expecting. Pionk and ADA are delivering. Thats about it.
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Hajek is close. Lindgren is nowhere near, and not sure why anyone would think he was
Of the 3 D prospects the acquired last deadline, Lindgren is easily the worst of the them.
Of the 3 D prospects the acquired last deadline, Lindgren is easily the worst of the them.
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I feel Hajek is ready now but Lindgren needs some time...just my opinion. I guess. To be honest I think Claussen has been our most consistant dman when he has played. ADA and Pionk have been really good but have had lapses due to their short time in the nhl. I'd be ok putting Claussen and ADA on the top pair for now if we did move Skjei( which I doubt happens).
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We have a logjam at D, but as soon as we can find space I think Hajek finishes the season with the Rangers just as Lias and Fil did last year. Hajek will be an NHL regular next year. Lindgren will take another 1-2 years after this season to mature at the pro level, which is fine because we'll have Rykov soon.
There's a massive difference between adding Nylander and Panarin. With Panarin you're theoretically getting a guy for "free" but you're paying well over fair value for his services and thus he's highly unlikely to ever out perform his contract. With Nylander you have to give up assets to get him but you're getting a younger, less expensive player who could possibly outperform his contract in a few years.
If you could get Nylander for something around Skjei and Zucc it's a no-brainer, but it's not going to play super well with the Toronto fans.
If you could get Nylander for something around Skjei and Zucc it's a no-brainer, but it's not going to play super well with the Toronto fans.
Might be alone in it, but I really don't think Hajek looks close to NHL ready. He had a decent camp but has been really up and down in the AHL. Lindgren has been steadier, IMO.
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Neither of them are ready this year, and I personally don’t think Lindgren ever will be anything more than a 3rd pairing glue guy. I think someone said it earlier, but if they deal Skjei, I could see them moving Hayes to get a young LD back
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