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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450
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I'd be pushing for a good prospect if we were taking a bad contract. I want more certainty around the return than a draft pick would provide.
silverfish
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But a draft pick can be anything! It can even be a good prospect!
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Why can't we get both.
Good prospect and maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder where we can just swing for the fences on a boom/bust prospect. 
I agree. If you are being bribed to take a bad contract that will take up cap space, the price is more than just a draft pick.
Why can't we get both.
Well, I mean, sure.
Yeah I'm not getting stuck with a bad contract for anything less than a kid who will play a meaningful role in the AHL or NHL next year. Too much risk and likely too much time between the draft and seeing a return on your investment.
BobMarleyNYR
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Prediction: those now clamoring for awful contracts won't be happy if they build a surprisingly com0petitive sooner rather than later and RFAs are being blocked. It's f***ing ridiculous--don't hand out huge contracts, just TRADE for them so we can finish last in the league but end up drafting 3rd?
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Ghost of jas
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I get the maximum value that I can, be it pick or prospect.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
I’m an emotional fan. No matter what we do with the roster, if we start out the season 8-1 and someone like Spooner has 15 points, DeAngelo’s on the first pairing, I’m gonna say these guys are just the best and we’re the next Golden Knights.
Right now though, I think we need that third overall pick. I don’t think we’re on paper better than anyone in the Metro.
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BobMarleyNYR
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BobMarleyNYR
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Me neither but I think in-season trades are the only time to pick up deadweight. Consider taking Callahan for a 2nd... you wa0nt the 2nd..0. most 2nds, though, are busts. Only foreseeable gain is nostalgia, especially on a team that drafts overall not too well.
silverfish
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I'm still uncertain if draft picks are the most overvalued or undervalued pieces in hockey trades and I can't decide.
I do believe they are becoming more overvalued as GMs realize that having players on cost-controlled deals is important. But then you have a player like Mascherin, who is clearly ready to turn pro, whether AHL or NHL, and Florida can't deal him? What were GMs offering for this guy?
As with all things hockey, I am confused.
BobMarleyNYR
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Same here lol... it's an inflating commodity, I think. It opens up a lot of team-building routes and is valuable just for that reason...
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
From what I have seen, people expect him to go late 2nd, early 3rd round. Do you think that is correct and what do you believe his upside is?
DutchShamrock
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It's tempting to grab a bad or dead space contract like Arizona and get back a decent pick. But I prefer to be in position to get a Panarin. Be Anaheim/Pittsburgh and get Hagelin. Add a quality player for a bargain.
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Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I'm guessing teams have an idea of where he will go in the draft and Florida wanted more than in a trade for him.
haveandare
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Yeah I’m for taking a contract that will be tough for 3 years max but anything more than that is way too much imo
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I'd put more value on the picks than on flawed prospects if that is what were available.
The pick is likely to also yield a flawed prospect, perhaps even a bust but the team can sort of pick the flaw they are getting and would have more time to try to work it out.
I don't think well developing prospects who do not have some sort of flaw are traded often without some circumstance making it so. On the other hand picks bust often.
I guess it comes down to what one trusts more, for example if they think they can get a McD (who was drafted 12th) for Gomez (rare but it happens) , or if they think they can draft the next gem (perhaps even a McD) should they get that pick as a return instead (rare but it happens)
I guess I am one who leans more towards it happening from the draft picks more so than it happening from a trade. I'd gamble with the picks rather than trying to see if some team out there is undervaluing one of their prospects. Actually I'd be looking for both but I think the picks would be more available.
The pick is likely to also yield a flawed prospect, perhaps even a bust but the team can sort of pick the flaw they are getting and would have more time to try to work it out.
I don't think well developing prospects who do not have some sort of flaw are traded often without some circumstance making it so. On the other hand picks bust often.
I guess it comes down to what one trusts more, for example if they think they can get a McD (who was drafted 12th) for Gomez (rare but it happens) , or if they think they can draft the next gem (perhaps even a McD) should they get that pick as a return instead (rare but it happens)
I guess I am one who leans more towards it happening from the draft picks more so than it happening from a trade. I'd gamble with the picks rather than trying to see if some team out there is undervaluing one of their prospects. Actually I'd be looking for both but I think the picks would be more available.
2 years is the max for me. We have so much money tied up for the coming 3 years between Staal, Smith, Shatty, Gs buyout and so forth.
It would be a damn shame if we hit is off really well with the rebuild but instead of being able to make a push with a young core and some mechenaries in 20/21 are prevented from competing due to like having 14m of cap space tied up in crap/nothing.
Third line scoring forward that plays a prominent role on the power play, but generally gets sheltered minutes if he doesn't up his defensive efforts. He's stocky, has high IQ & has an incredibly dangerous shot. He's not swift of foot, but I think he can carve himself out a pretty good NHL role because he has several attributes that are way above average. Those are the types that tend to stick in this league as role players. Not a player comparison, but a role comparison would be Benoit Pouliot. In terms of player comparison, I'd say a softer, smaller version of Boone Jenner or James Neal. He's short, but not easily muscled off the puck due to his stocky build.
Something about him just smells NHL player to me. I know some don't like him & I think he may even be a polarizing player when/if he sticks (the same way all of the above players I mentioned often are), but I think he'd be a steal anywhere in the third round on. He needs at least a year in the AHL to work on his defensive game & effort before seeing NHL ice, but he's by all means a fairly nice kid and I think he'll work to get there. He wouldn't look remiss on an NHL power play today imo.
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