haohmaru
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Kovalchuk isn't signing a one year deal. Kovalchuk isn't signing a 2 year deal without a NMC. The above does not apply. This isn't Desharnais fighting for his NHL life, it's Kovalchuk who has a line of suitors a mile long.
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Kovalchuk isn't signing a one year deal. Kovalchuk isn't signing a 2 year deal without a NMC. The above does not apply. This isn't Desharnais fighting for his NHL life, it's Kovalchuk who has a line of suitors a mile long.
I know.
I was answering the question of who would sign a guy just to trade him. I'm saying that it happens pretty often.
Machinehead
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Not to mention, giving Orpik way less minutes is the sole reason Washington has gone from terrible at ES to possibly about to win the Cup.
I don't want that trash anywhere near this team.
I don't want that trash anywhere near this team.
Machinehead
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But we're not talking about stopgaps.
Signing a legit 2-3 year contract to trade the guy is going to get you blackballed in the market.
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effen
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The Flyers did this several times a few years ago. Long term guys in their first year of the contract.
Whether or not that effected them is up to interpretation. Haven't paid attention to their recent signings.
But it's wrong to say it 'never' happens.
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Not gonna go crazy through their roster of past years but the Flyers signed Jeff Carter 11/58 and traded him 10 months later for Voracek.
Signed JVR 6/25.5 and traded him like 8 months later for LOLuke Schenn.
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We're also getting a low 1st/2nd + prospect for Ryan "only included in the Nash deal bc Boston was capped out and possibly not even going to get tendered his last RFA year" Spooner while getting Klefbom for a 2nd + a cherry snow cone. It's the offseason man, optimism runs wild.
LORDE
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I still have a feeling that Gorton is going to trade up. How and for who I have zero clue... just has been my gut for a while now
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It happens every single season. If you sign a guy to 1 or 2 year deal but then you are out of it come deadline, you are actually doing that player a favour by sending him to a contender.
Machinehead
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I am not sure if this has been posted on this board. Arthur Staple had a Q&A on The Athletic. 5/31
He was asked if the Kovalchuk to the Islanders is legit
Arthur was asked what the Islanders will do with their two #1's
What will be the first piece of big news made by Lou?
#StapeChat: The Lamoriello Edition
Brooks has stopped connecting the Rangers with Kovalchuk. It would be an odd decision by a team which claims to be "rebuilding" to sign a 35 year old player. 35 plus contract. He says his goal is to win a Cup which isn't happening in the near future with the team on Broadway.
Would the Islanders make a trade with the Rangers? Gorton and Snow discussed McDonagh before the trading deadline. The Islanders have those two first rounders and a some good prospects who could fit the Rangers rebuild.
Gorton traded with Shero in Jersey. Gorton did discuss a trade for McDonagh with Lou. There is a better chance of a Rangers-Islanders trade with Lou running the Islanders than Snow.
He was asked if the Kovalchuk to the Islanders is legit
Arthur was asked what the Islanders will do with their two #1's
What will be the first piece of big news made by Lou?
#StapeChat: The Lamoriello Edition
Brooks has stopped connecting the Rangers with Kovalchuk. It would be an odd decision by a team which claims to be "rebuilding" to sign a 35 year old player. 35 plus contract. He says his goal is to win a Cup which isn't happening in the near future with the team on Broadway.
Would the Islanders make a trade with the Rangers? Gorton and Snow discussed McDonagh before the trading deadline. The Islanders have those two first rounders and a some good prospects who could fit the Rangers rebuild.
Gorton traded with Shero in Jersey. Gorton did discuss a trade for McDonagh with Lou. There is a better chance of a Rangers-Islanders trade with Lou running the Islanders than Snow.
UAGoalieGuy
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For those throwing the idea of taking on Orpik, could something similar to the Datsyuk trade a couple of years work?
Orpik and the 30/31 for #39 and a throwaway contract (could be a prospect that's not developing just to keep # of contracts stable)?
Orpik and the 30/31 for #39 and a throwaway contract (could be a prospect that's not developing just to keep # of contracts stable)?
UAGoalieGuy
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What do the Rangers have that the Islanders would want? Do they need secondary scoring in Zucc?
haohmaru
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It does, but not with players like Kovalchuk who have leverage. It happens mostly with fringe NHL'ers, players on the comeback trail, etc...
Ie... anyone signing a one year deal in the NHL is likely fighting for his NHL life.
haohmaru
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Why would the Caps do that? Orpik has one year left on his deal and he's still a serviceable NHL defenseman.
DutchShamrock
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I think the spirit of the debate is if teams sign players to a multi year with the intention of trading them. There are the vaneks and pouliotts who bounce around every season on one year deals. There are the flyers examples of unforeseen circumstances arising and a trade happens in the first year of a deal.
And fwiw those players weren't woed and courted to join the flyers and dealt shortly. Those were re-signings. It's a bit underhanded to tell someone they will be a big part of the future, come move here and play, then ship them out quickly.
I don't think there are too many examples of long term deals made with the express intent of flipping the player.
UAGoalieGuy
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They have limited cap space even with the cap going up and have some key players to resign.
haohmaru
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I don't think they'll be able to re-sign Carlsson with or without Orpik. He picked a great time to have a career year.
n8
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Would you trade for an expiring contract? As a rebuilding team with lots of cash resources, we're in a fairly unique position to absorb another teams' bad contract in exchange for some really valuable assets. I wouldn't touch any bad long-term contracts but here is a list of contracts that expire the season after 2019-2010. Just a random Sunday thought.
CAL Troy Brouwer $4.5 AAV (M-NTC)
DAL Martin Hanzal $4.75 AAV (M-NTC)
TB Ryan Callahan $5.8 AAV
TOR Nathan Horton $5.3 AAV
LVG David Clarkson $5.25 AAV
CAL Troy Brouwer $4.5 AAV (M-NTC)
DAL Martin Hanzal $4.75 AAV (M-NTC)
TB Ryan Callahan $5.8 AAV
TOR Nathan Horton $5.3 AAV
LVG David Clarkson $5.25 AAV
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haohmaru
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We really don't. After signing RFA's Hayes, Skjei, Vesey, Spooner, Namestnikov, + 2 other forwards (UFA's, Chytil, Andersson, etc...) , UFA Goalie or Georgiev, and at least one more NHL D, that cap space will decline very quickly.
Hayes 5M / Skjei 4M, Vesey 2M, Spooner 3.5-4M, Namestnikov 4M, Chytil 1M, Andersson 1M, backup goalie 1.5-2M, NHL D 4M, Smith back on the big club 3.3M
Add that all up. It doesn't equal 5M space to absorb a crap contract.
We've got 13 roster players signed for next year. 15 if you include Chytil & Andersson. We need at least 22 (13 forwards, 7 D, 2 G)
DanielBrassard
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I don't see why we will need another defenseman at 4M when we already have Skjei, Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk, ADA, and Pionk. Plus Gilmour, O'Gara and potentially Hajek or Lindgren. It's a rebuilding season, let the kids play, and let guys like Smith rebuild their value. Also, wouldn't be shocked if Namestnikov and/or Spooner are traded, so we should have plenty of cap space.
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