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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

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Avery16 said:
We probably have the pieces right now to make an offer for Karlsson that doesn’t in turn cripple us. We also have a couple of big holes in our top 4. I think he’d be motivated to play with Hank and Zib.

Imagine adding both Karlsson and Kovalchuk to this roster.
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That'd be incredible... Plus steps from Zibanejad, and the Kreider we saw for the last 3o games last year??

Hot DAMN that'd be a good team
 
My instinct tells me that Quinn has a message from the FO about his priorities this season. I doubt he will force feed Staal 25 minutes a game to try to shelter the young blueliners.

If Gorts tells him that his job is not contingent upon making the playoffs, but rather developing the young talent, he will be more likely to put the kids in positions to succeed.
 
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Avery16 said:
Wow that’s so not true. He was given every chance for a few seasons and couldn’t crack the top six in St. Louis on a consistent basis. Pittsburgh took a chance on him because of their cap situation and he still didn’t earn a spot for long. They moved him after just two seasons. He’s decent depth but nothing more.
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Did you miss the last two playoffs? He played 49 games in a team that won back to back Stanley Cups. When he was moved this year there was a lot of grumbling in the Penguins room and then he played very well for Columbus. Defensemen take time. He’s a 4-5 guy but he’s not going to cost a lot and he provides a solid veteran presence.
 
Bozle said:
People will try and tell you that Orpik is decent, but he’s reallllly bad. Worse than Staal bad.

I mean, I’d take his contract for an asset, especially considering he only has one year left, but make no mistakes - he sucks, and even on a defense as thin as this one, should be a healthy scratch.
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Well that's the idea. Washington would be paying the 30/31st overall pick to move a contract so that they have space to bolster the team for a second run.

Washington Capitals - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

They have $66M in tied up cap space
DSP, Walker, Chiasson, Beagle, Boyd, and Wilson to sign on Forward
Carlson, Kempney, Bowey, and Jerabek to sign on Defense.

Even if the cap hist $78M, they only have $12M in cap space. Chiasson is probably walking but they're most likely going to try and keep this team together for another year. They might just sign Carlson just to keep him on the team for another championship next year--mortgaging later for now.

If they paid up the 31st pick for $5.5M in cap space, that's a huge asset and not much of a loss as this Capitals Team could probably be better without Orpik
 
TheTakedown said:
Well that's the idea. Washington would be paying the 30/31st overall pick to move a contract so that they have space to bolster the team for a second run.

Washington Capitals - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

They have $66M in tied up cap space
DSP, Walker, Chiasson, Beagle, Boyd, and Wilson to sign on Forward
Carlson, Kempney, Bowey, and Jerabek to sign on Defense.

Even if the cap hist $78M, they only have $12M in cap space. Chiasson is probably walking but they're most likely going to try and keep this team together for another year. They might just sign Carlson just to keep him on the team for another championship next year--mortgaging later for now.

If they paid up the 31st pick for $5.5M in cap space, that's a huge asset and not much of a loss as this Capitals Team could probably be better without Orpik
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Exactly this. And this team could do worse than Orpik as a 6/7 for a year. If he plays well, move him at the deadline with half retained. There will be a team that values him as depth, especially if Washington wins.
 
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People keep talking about Zucc + a late first to get into the 11-15 range, but what about Zucc + #9OA for #5OA. I think Wahlstrom is our guy.

#26 + #39 + Huska to Florida for #15OA. We draft Kravtsov and or take a swing with Bokk.

Berggren at #30.

Sign Karlsson/Doughty next year...

Rebuild complete.

2019-2020

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Andersson - Chytil - Wahlstrom
Kravtsov - Hayes - Namestnikov
Vesey - Howden - Fast
Berggren


Skjei - Doughty
Hajek - Shattenkirk
Lindgren - Pionk
Rykov

Lundqvist/Shestyorkin
 
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jasonfilatov said:
People keep talking about Zucc + a late first to get into the 11-15 range, but what about Zucc + #9OA for #5OA. I think Wahlstrom is our guy.

#26 + #39 + Huska to Florida for #15OA. We draft Kravtsov and or take a swing with Bokk.

Berggren at #30.

Sign Karlsson/Doughty next year...

Rebuild complete.

2019-2020

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Andersson - Chytil - Wahlstrom
Kravtsov - Hayes - Namestnikov
Vesey - Howden - Fast
Berggren


Skjei - Doughty
Hajek - Shattenkirk
Lindgren - Pionk
Rykov

Lundqvist/Shestyorkin
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Dont tease me...

I think you would need to clear 1 or both of Staal and Smith's contracts. And I'm not sure Doughty will leave LA
 
jasonfilatov said:
People keep talking about Zucc + a late first to get into the 11-15 range, but what about Zucc + #9OA for #5OA. I think Wahlstrom is our guy.

#26 + #39 + Huska to Florida for #15OA. We draft Kravtsov and or take a swing with Bokk.

Berggren at #30.

Sign Karlsson/Doughty next year...

Rebuild complete.

2019-2020

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Andersson - Chytil - Wahlstrom
Kravtsov - Hayes - Namestnikov
Vesey - Howden - Fast
Berggren


Skjei - Doughty
Hajek - Shattenkirk
Lindgren - Pionk
Rykov



Lundqvist/Shestyorkin
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That's a sick lineup lol. I mean probably a bit young to go very very far in probably Hank's next to last year IMO but lots of potential.
 
jasonfilatov said:
People keep talking about Zucc + a late first to get into the 11-15 range, but what about Zucc + #9OA for #5OA. I think Wahlstrom is our guy.

#26 + #39 + Huska to Florida for #15OA. We draft Kravtsov and or take a swing with Bokk.

Berggren at #30.

Sign Karlsson/Doughty next year...

Rebuild complete.

2019-2020

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Andersson - Chytil - Wahlstrom
Kravtsov - Hayes - Namestnikov
Vesey - Howden - Fast
Berggren


Skjei - Doughty
Hajek - Shattenkirk
Lindgren - Pionk
Rykov

Lundqvist/Shestyorkin
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Don't think Florida does that but you never know
 
jasonfilatov said:
People keep talking about Zucc + a late first to get into the 11-15 range, but what about Zucc + #9OA for #5OA. I think Wahlstrom is our guy.

#26 + #39 + Huska to Florida for #15OA. We draft Kravtsov and or take a swing with Bokk.

Berggren at #30.

Sign Karlsson/Doughty next year...

Rebuild complete.

2019-2020

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Andersson - Chytil - Wahlstrom
Kravtsov - Hayes - Namestnikov
Vesey - Howden - Fast
Berggren


Skjei - Doughty
Hajek - Shattenkirk
Lindgren - Pionk
Rykov

Lundqvist/Shestyorkin
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Uh.... okay. Let's see how you fit this under an 80M cap...

And, where's Staal?
 
TheTakedown said:
Only if you can do Zucc for Florida's #15. Rangers would have 14, 15, 26, and 28 in the 1st round.

Then you take one of the 14/15 picks, package it with one of the 26/28 picks, and get back into the top 5
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I don't understand how people can think through it this way.

So 14 + 19 = 9
But suddenly we can do 14 + 26 for a top 5??

If these are the trade expectations people have, jeez.
 
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Kreider (4.625m) - Zibanejad (5.35m) - Buchnevich (4.4m)
Andersson (0.925m) - Chytil (0.925m) - Wahlstrom (0.925m)
Kravtsov (0.925m) - Hayes (4.6m) - Namestnikov (3.4m)
Vesey (2.0m) - Howden (0.925m) - Fast (1.85m)
Berggren (0.925m)


Skjei (5.0m) - Doughty (10.8m)
Hajek (0.833m) - Shattenkirk (6.65m)
Lindgren (0.925m) - Pionk (2.1m)
Rykov (0.925m) - Staal (5.7m)

Lundqvist (8.5m)
Shestyorkin (0.925m)

Smith (4.35m)
Girardi (3.611m)

Cap hit: 81.994m

Trade Spooner and DeAngelo for picks.

Berserk said:
Staal has an NMC, can’t to go the the AHL without his permission.
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Ah missed that, sure keep him on the NHL roster as a 7/8D.
 
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Machinehead said:
This whole idea of signing guys just to trade them

1) Doesn't happen

2) Is atrocious business that every agent in the league is going to write down
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There’s literally nothing wrong with dining guys and giving them the opportunity to prove themselves with the thought in the back of the teams head that should the team not be competitive that they can be moved. That’s the business of the sport.

If it means the player asks for an extra $500k from the Rangers vs someone like Pittsburgh then so be it. One would have to assume this takes place regularly and some players have no issue with it seeing as they could get paid more, get a shot to prove themselves with a potentially larger role on a poor team and get the opportunity to compete in the playoffs with a contender who wants to add them at the deadline.
 
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NYR Viper said:
There’s literally nothing wrong with dining guys and giving them the opportunity to prove themselves with the thought in the back of the teams head that should the team not be competitive that they can be moved. That’s the business of the sport.

If it means the player asks for an extra $500k from the Rangers vs someone like Pittsburgh then so be it. One would have to assume this takes place regularly and some players have no issue with it seeing as they could get paid more, get a shot to prove themselves with a potentially larger role on a poor team and get the opportunity to compete in the playoffs with a contender who wants to add them at the deadline.
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Give me an example of a rebuilding team signing a guy to deal him at the following deadline.
 
Go Away Staal said:
Like every single 1 year deal handed out to a stop gap veteran for a team that is unlikely to make the playoffs?

It may not be the only reason why the guy is signed, but it's definitely a significant part of the equation.
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Kovalchuk and Orpik are not players who are going to be trying out on a one year deal.
 
The late first + Lindgren + Spooner kind of package you get back for an expiring Kovalchuk is also not a gamechanger. I mean it's nice but that's it.

Opportunity costs: the chance to take something for eating another team's bad contract. Orpik, Lehtera etc. Maybe we can get a different sweetener + sad expensive veteran package from a contender three years in a row. And the chance to be one of the worst teams in the league.

It's hard because I don't want guys to be crushed in matchups and I want our young players to come up with good teammates in situations they can win. But I'm not sold on the overall talent level of this roster, and if we sign Kovy and he's good enough to make us like the 12th worst team in the league instead of the 4th, that's really really bad
 
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