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haohmaru said:
We really don't. After signing RFA's Hayes, Skjei, Vesey, Spooner, Namestnikov, + 2 other forwards (UFA's, Chytil, Andersson, etc...) , UFA Goalie or Georgiev, and at least one more NHL D, that cap space will decline very quickly.

Hayes 5M / Skjei 4M, Vesey 2M, Spooner 3.5-4M, Namestnikov 4M, Chytil 1M, Andersson 1M, backup goalie 1.5-2M, NHL D 4M, Smith back on the big club 3.3M

Add that all up. It doesn't equal 5M space to absorb a crap contract.

We've got 13 roster players signed for next year. 15 if you include Chytil & Andersson. We need at least 22 (13 forwards, 7 D, 2 G)
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If the cap goes to $80MM they will have $31MM in cap space with 6 forwards (Zbad, Kreider, Buch. Beleskey, Fast and Zucc), 4 defenseman (Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith and Pionk) and 1 goalie (Lundqvist).

If the RFAs list above get what you mentioned, that would eat up $19MM. 15 total roster players. Rangers should have 3 or 4 more players on ELCs on the team in the fall, figure $1MM for each. That would be $73MM for 19 roster players.

I would say $1.5 for a back-up. They would be left with $5MM for 2 or 3 more roster players while keeping some space for callups throughout the year.

In this scenario they wouldn't have the room.

I dont think all 3 of Names/Spooner/Zucc will be back next season though. If any of those players are dealt it's likely for picks, prospects or players on an ELC. That would open the door to additional possibilities.
 
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RangerBoy said:
I am not sure if this has been posted on this board. Arthur Staple had a Q&A on The Athletic. 5/31

He was asked if the Kovalchuk to the Islanders is legit



Arthur was asked what the Islanders will do with their two #1's




What will be the first piece of big news made by Lou?






#StapeChat: The Lamoriello Edition

Brooks has stopped connecting the Rangers with Kovalchuk. It would be an odd decision by a team which claims to be "rebuilding" to sign a 35 year old player. 35 plus contract. He says his goal is to win a Cup which isn't happening in the near future with the team on Broadway.

Would the Islanders make a trade with the Rangers? Gorton and Snow discussed McDonagh before the trading deadline. The Islanders have those two first rounders and a some good prospects who could fit the Rangers rebuild.

Gorton traded with Shero in Jersey. Gorton did discuss a trade for McDonagh with Lou. There is a better chance of a Rangers-Islanders trade with Lou running the Islanders than Snow.
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Thought Lou always hated the Rangers and would never trade with them.
 
From what I've heard, Kovalchuk talked to 8 teams. 8.

So there is an element of getting the best contract possible. I would be surprised if he loads up on a 1 year deal with a contender for a low dollar amount.

My guess is that a team like Nashville can squeeze him in if the cap goes up closer to $80M. They need to re-sign Hartman (not going to crack $3M) & Saros ($1.5M).

Take the cap increase, and their remaining space.... and they can offer a 2 year deal around $12M, state-income tax free... and fit Ilya in... and still get their depth guys.

Also heard that they are going to early extend Ellis to prevent uncertainty going forward. They will need to let Smith walk, but that's no big deal.

Can you imagine Nashville adding Kovalchuk and Tolvanen.

Their middle is already Johansson-Turris-Bonino-Scissons. You'd think they add another player down the middle for depth... could be internal with Gaudreau.

Carrier will be ready... maybe they add veteran defenseman for depth. That's going to be a sick team to watch.
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
What do the Rangers have that the Islanders would want? Do they need secondary scoring in Zucc?
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Ho-Sang either goes for a pick, or low upside defenseman that can plug a hole.

Isles are sort of screwed with him imo... there isn't a real value for him... and say he ends up in CHI... he'll probably thrive there. CLB too. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in SJ. That's a team with a severe cap crunch and they are looking to move Dillon, who would be a really good fit for the Isles.
 
CLB is another interesting team, and I don't really expect a deal inside the division. Boone Jenner could be had for a pick or Vesey imo.

You end up adding a former 30 goal scorer and some leadership... but one with a weaker skating stride. He can PK, play shifts at center.

I don't think Torts is a big fan of his, and from a productivity perspective, it's closer to a wash for CLB given what else they've got in their line-up. Jenner had a strong finish to his season, but it might be a good low buy.
 
Yes to taking a bad contract (or two) back for assets. Some of the players mentioned are headed straight to LTIR. Others can be partially buried if necessary. Keep in mind that some of the existing payroll may be shipped out in the next three weeks.
 
RangerBoy said:
I am not sure if this has been posted on this board. Arthur Staple had a Q&A on The Athletic. 5/31

He was asked if the Kovalchuk to the Islanders is legit



Arthur was asked what the Islanders will do with their two #1's




What will be the first piece of big news made by Lou?






#StapeChat: The Lamoriello Edition

Brooks has stopped connecting the Rangers with Kovalchuk. It would be an odd decision by a team which claims to be "rebuilding" to sign a 35 year old player. 35 plus contract. He says his goal is to win a Cup which isn't happening in the near future with the team on Broadway.

Would the Islanders make a trade with the Rangers? Gorton and Snow discussed McDonagh before the trading deadline. The Islanders have those two first rounders and a some good prospects who could fit the Rangers rebuild.

Gorton traded with Shero in Jersey. Gorton did discuss a trade for McDonagh with Lou. There is a better chance of a Rangers-Islanders trade with Lou running the Islanders than Snow.
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I’ll believe Kovalchuk to the Islanders when I see it. 20 games in Brooklyn and 20 games in Uniondale for the next three years isn't particularly inviting for a player with a family. Neither is no guarantee of Tavares. That may change but the geography won’t.
 
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n8 said:
Would you trade for an expiring contract? As a rebuilding team with lots of cash resources, we're in a fairly unique position to absorb another teams' bad contract in exchange for some really valuable assets. I wouldn't touch any bad long-term contracts but here is a list of contracts that expire the season after 2019-2010. Just a random Sunday thought.
CAL Troy Brouwer $4.5 AAV (M-NTC)
DAL Martin Hanzal $4.75 AAV (M-NTC)
TB Ryan Callahan $5.8 AAV
TOR Nathan Horton $5.3 AAV
LVG David Clarkson $5.25 AAV
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It would mean buying them out after next year... and that keeps the cap hit on there longer. Remember you still have Girardi's hit, Belesky, and Smith.. the latter of whom are question marks to play in the NHL next year. So big picture... no... and that's with taking some undesirable RFAs (Names & Spoons) on the roster.

So even if you use your overage- 10% over the cap before the LTIR... it still wounds you the next two years.
 
bobbop said:
I’ll believe Kovalchuk to the Islanders when I see it. 20 games in Brooklyn and 20 games in Uniondale for the next three years isn't particularly inviting for a player with a family. Neither is no guarantee of Tavares. That may change but the geography won’t.
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His mansion is in North Jersey. If he thinks he's going to enjoy that ~15M commute into Brooklyn... he's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed. That's 3-4 hours of travel via car.
 
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bobbop said:
Did you miss the last two playoffs? He played 49 games in a team that won back to back Stanley Cups. When he was moved this year there was a lot of grumbling in the Penguins room and then he played very well for Columbus. Defensemen take time. He’s a 4-5 guy but he’s not going to cost a lot and he provides a solid veteran presence.
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Cole is a very good player, and the type that can protect leads responsibly. He's not a world beater, but does his job effectively. The Pens missed him in the playoffs.
 
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Also wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers traded a late 1st for Chris Tierney. Wouldn't be thrilled, but he's a great value pick-up for a 3rd liner. 4 Years at a little under $12M would be a steal for a very good third line center.

He doesn't need soft minutes, is a reliable PKer, and played for a coach doesn't adjust situationally except for when he's down or in the lead. In other words DeBoer rolls his lines without much concern for zone play, but more on the game at hand.

He's one to keep an eye on, the hockey iq is very good, and I think he's got more offensive upside. Good think about him is that he's young enough to be a part of a new core, and I've watched him in the playoffs. The guy is good.

IMO trading a late 1st for him would be like getting a ready made Barrett Hayton next year.
 
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Either way..Bobby Ryan's contract is so toxic I'm not even sure I'd do a straight him plus 4oa for garbage trade...that's a lot of money on a player who hasn't been elite since cashing in.
 
Mikos87 said:
Also wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers traded a late 1st for Chris Tierney. Wouldn't be thrilled, but he's a great value pick-up for a 3rd liner. 4 Years at a little under $12M would be a steal for a very good third line center.

He doesn't need soft minutes, is a reliable PKer, and played for a coach doesn't adjust situationally except for when he's down or in the lead. In other words DeBoer rolls his lines without much concern for zone play, but more on the game at hand.

He's one to keep an eye on, the hockey iq is very good, and I think he's got more offensive upside. Good think about him is that he's young enough to be a part of a new core, and I've watched him in the playoffs. The guy is good.

IMO trading a late 1st for him would be like getting a ready made Barrett Hayton next year.
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That's an interesting idea. Hasn't really scored much as you mentioned, but he rates very well in shot assists, doesn't shoot the puck at all however. Put him on a line with a shooter and he could be an undervalued pickup.
 
RangerBoy said:
I am not sure if this has been posted on this board. Arthur Staple had a Q&A on The Athletic. 5/31

He was asked if the Kovalchuk to the Islanders is legit



Arthur was asked what the Islanders will do with their two #1's




What will be the first piece of big news made by Lou?






#StapeChat: The Lamoriello Edition

Brooks has stopped connecting the Rangers with Kovalchuk. It would be an odd decision by a team which claims to be "rebuilding" to sign a 35 year old player. 35 plus contract. He says his goal is to win a Cup which isn't happening in the near future with the team on Broadway.

Would the Islanders make a trade with the Rangers? Gorton and Snow discussed McDonagh before the trading deadline. The Islanders have those two first rounders and a some good prospects who could fit the Rangers rebuild.

Gorton traded with Shero in Jersey. Gorton did discuss a trade for McDonagh with Lou. There is a better chance of a Rangers-Islanders trade with Lou running the Islanders than Snow.
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If going for a Cup is the most important thing for Kovalchuk then why would he go to the Islanders?
 
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Inferno said:
Either way..Bobby Ryan's contract is so toxic I'm not even sure I'd do a straight him plus 4oa for garbage trade...that's a lot of money on a player who hasn't been elite since cashing in.
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Smith or Staal would have to go the other way.
 
Mikos87 said:
He built a mansion in Jersey, loves the NYC area. Lou connection.

Proximity to desired lifestyle would be the answer.
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Sure, but if a Cup is a consideration then why would he even consider the Islanders? They're a mess. Is Lou going to transform them into a contender overnight? I don't think it's even close to a guarantee that the Islanders are better than the Rangers next year.

If he's gonna weigh proximity to NYC and a contender possibility then Philly would probably be his best choice in all honesty.
 
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Mikos87 said:
It would mean buying them out after next year... and that keeps the cap hit on there longer. Remember you still have Girardi's hit, Belesky, and Smith.. the latter of whom are question marks to play in the NHL next year. So big picture... no... and that's with taking some undesirable RFAs (Names & Spoons) on the roster.

So even if you use your overage- 10% over the cap before the LTIR... it still wounds you the next two years.
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We wouldn't need to buy them out, unless you think we'd realistically be competing for the cup in 2019-20. We may have real playoff aspirations that year, but we will still be building. Having one of those players on the roster isn't going to be the difference between us winning the cup and not winning it. Now, if you're talking about taking on a contract that is longer than 2 years, then I agree.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Sure, but if a Cup is a consideration then why would he even consider the Islanders? They're a mess. Is Lou going to transform them into a contender overnight? I don't think it's even close to a guarantee that the Islanders are better than the Rangers next year.

If he's gonna weigh proximity to NYC and a contender possibility then Philly would probably be his best choice in all honesty.
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Lou will be aggressive in trying to win right away. He has two first rounders and two 2nds to move. They may move 3 of those picks for immediate help. Acquire another D. That team has no trouble scoring goals. Add a quality goalie and another D or two. Lou will give Kovalchuk the Marleau contract. 3 years. $6,250,000. Lou gave Marleau that contract. Tavares would be a fool to leave the Islanders. He can get the 8th year and demand anything he wants.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Lou will be aggressive in trying to win right away. He has two first rounders and two 2nds to move. They may move 3 of those picks for immediate help. Acquire another D. That team has no trouble scoring goals. Add a quality goalie and another D or two. Lou will give Kovalchuk the Marleau contract. 3 years. $6,250,000. Lou gave Marleau that contract. Tavares would be a fool to leave the Islanders. He can get the 8th year and demand anything he wants.
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What goalie?
 
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Fair warning because the mod team is not going to deal with this crap again this summer - Keep the talk hockey related and not your perception of a players moral compass.

I know I will inevitably get a question so allow me to clarify - If Slava Voynov was linked to the Rangers, that is fair game. The guy was convicted of domestic abuse. Bringing out the book of ist's and ism's because you base your perception of someone off what that person has liked on Instagram and turning the discussion political... not okay.
 
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