Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

[Avery16]

Yup. Exactly why we need a roster player like Cole or De Haan. I'm not confident about Smith figuring it out at all. I hope he does. It helps him and helps the Rangers.

I’d rather Moore than either of those. Nastier and more mobile.

 

[haohmaru]

I’d rather Moore than either of those. Nastier and more mobile.

Yeah, open to that too

 

[eco's bones]

9. Kotkaniemi/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom - I think one of this trio falls to us. Our concerted effort to grab defensive prospects in TDL deals I argue points to us wanting to draft forward at 9 (or higher)

26 & 30. Bode Wilde/Ty Smith/Kravstov/Kaut/Kupari - I grouped these two picks together because they are so close. These are the players that I think could be around at the time we pick here, but likely that at least 3 of them are already taken.
Also, Denisenko is player to watch here. The Rangers brass showed no fear in drafting someone higher than other draft boards have someone (hello my beautiful son Filip) because they like the guy. Denisenko is a player who you get much more out of watching him play than watching the scoresheet. Also, the Rangers have certainly shown a certain flair for Eastern Europeans lately - they have solid scouting over there that some other teams around the NHL seemingly lack.

2nd rounders. Niklas Nordgren, this guy is Zucc 2.0, I'd be shocked if we didn't have him thoroughly scouted. Isac Lundestrom, a solid all around player from SHL where we have a heavy scouting department. Jan Jenik, I just personally like this guy, very young, fell down some boards because of missing part of the year due to illness, he is more of a development player and I see that fitting perfectly with us because of the amount of prospects we will have graduating within the next 16 months.

I don't think there is any chance that Wilde, Smith or Kravtsov are around at 26. 18 is the absolute latest for any of them. Kaut and Kupari might not be there either. Denisenko I suspect will be gone by 26 too. All this is why I'd like to see if the Rangers could move up into the teens. To me Kravtsov and Bokk are scoring wingers and either of them will be a big get but other teams know this as well. I don't think they are guys I'd want at 9OA in this draft but at 15OA or thereabouts absolutely.

 

[bobbop]

Ian Cole wouldn’t bring much of anything. Maybe he could hold a third pair spot, but he'd get sat occasionally. I’ve watched him for a while now, rooted for him as a Blues prospect. He’s depth and nothing more.

Boy, I disagree with this. He’s a salt of the earth player who would help the rebuild along. Team leader wherever he has played. Not a top pair defenseman but very dependable. Big contributor to the Penguins in Cup runs and played very well for Columbus late this year. Keep in mind this is relative, great value for 2 years@$3MM

 

[bobbop]

I’m not really sure what FAs we will target. A couple of drafted players could figure into the equation for next year. How many veterans will we have left? Lots of moving parts.

I could see scenarios where a number of different guys make sense. I like Ian Cole. If no Kovalchuk, JVR on a Shattenkirk contract becomes a possibility. Grabner and Nash are certainly possible. I just don’t know.

The more players the Rangers move in the next 20 days, the more robust the free agent shopping list will be.

 

[Avery16]

Boy, I disagree with this. He’s a salt of the earth player who would help the rebuild along. Team leader wherever he has played. Not a top pair defenseman but very dependable. Big contributor to the Penguins in Cup runs and played very well for Columbus late this year. Keep in mind this is relative, great value for 2 years@$3MM

Wow that’s so not true. He was given every chance for a few seasons and couldn’t crack the top six in St. Louis on a consistent basis. Pittsburgh took a chance on him because of their cap situation and he still didn’t earn a spot for long. They moved him after just two seasons. He’s decent depth but nothing more.

 

[RangerBoy]

I know Dave Maloney brought up the Rangers needing to add some experience on D. They already have Shattenkirk and Staal. If Smith comes to camp with his head screwed on straight, that makes 3 veteran D. The Rangers are rebuilding. They need to leave spots open for the young guys. They can't have 4 spots taken by veteran D. Shattenkirk is coming off major knee surgery. The trade market isn't strong for him right now. His NMC expires on July 1. Limited NTC. Staal has 3 years remaining. He is not going anywhere. Even with the cap going to $80M. They are stuck with Smith. They are stuck with all three players.

Elliotte Friedman brought up teams are talking to Montreal about Pacioretty because they are concerned about the free agent prices after the Kane contract. The Rangers have a winger in Zuccarello who is a similar position to Pacioretty. Free agency next July.

“Some teams that don’t want to go in free agency… they have called Montreal and asked about Max Pacioretty,” Friedman said during the second intermission of Game 3 of the Stanley Cup Final.

Pacioretty has one year remaining on his contract and will be an unrestricted free agent next summer. Friedman reports that some teams interested in trading for him are also asking about a potential sign-and-trade with the Canadiens to guarantee Paccioretty’s services for more than one year.

“I think (teams) are also wondering… what he might want as an extension,” Friedman said. “So I think there’s been some asking about the possibility for a sign-and-trade for Pacioretty. So we’ll see where that goes.”

Is a sign and trade possible for Canadiens' Max Pacioretty? - Sportsnet.ca

Pacioretty or Zuccarello can't sign extensions until July 1. They can agree to terms. Maybe the Rangers can interest some teams in a sign and trade for Zuccarello. They would get more. They can still get a good deal for Zuccarello with one year remaining.

 

[pld459666]

No.

14+19 for 9 I would seriously consider.

Because it's the flyers, they have to pay asshole tax and kick in a 4th as well.

If they want in the top 10, it's because they want someone specific.

They have to pay heavy for that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I’m not really sure what FAs we will target. A couple of drafted players could figure into the equation for next year. How many veterans will we have left? Lots of moving parts.

I could see scenarios where a number of different guys make sense. I like Ian Cole. If no Kovalchuk, JVR on a Shattenkirk contract becomes a possibility. Grabner and Nash are certainly possible. I just don’t know.

The more players the Rangers move in the next 20 days, the more robust the free agent shopping list will be.

Some players I'd be interested in to add to our bottom-6:

Brad Richardson.
Brings experience and leadership we could use considering the young kids that will be playing.

Derek Ryan.
Might cost a bit more, but brings a bit more production as well.

Kyle Brodziak.
I remember he came up in discussions a few years ago at the deadline when he was still in Minnesota. Another experienced guy who could help our rookies settle in without taking on too much responsibility.

 

[silverfish]

No Grabner. Grabner is one of the few guys who actually benefited playing AV hockey. Let another team look at his goal totals and speed and overpay him.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Pretty decent chance both of those guys are gone at 19.

From what little I've heard, Smith us likely in the first half and Wilde 11-20. Consensus... no chance they go to 39th. Seems less likely Tkachuk goes past 5 or 6. 9th? just on pedigree, no. Unless, is he injury-prone or something?

 

[Chytiljuicee]

I’d really like to see the rangers make a move to get Oliver Wahlstrom. This team hasn’t seen a 40 goal scorer since 14’ in rick Nash and a 70 point player since 11’ in Marian gaborik. Not saying wahlstrom is a lock for either of those milestones but he sure has the highest ceiling of all forwards in the draft not named zadina or svechnikov. With arguably the best shot in the draft it’d be cool to see a home grown elite scorer in a blueshirt

 

[GregSirico]

9. Kotkaniemi/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom - I think one of this trio falls to us. Our concerted effort to grab defensive prospects in TDL deals I argue points to us wanting to draft forward at 9 (or higher)

26 & 30. Bode Wilde/Ty Smith/Kravstov/Kaut/Kupari - I grouped these two picks together because they are so close. These are the players that I think could be around at the time we pick here, but likely that at least 3 of them are already taken.
Also, Denisenko is player to watch here. The Rangers brass showed no fear in drafting someone higher than other draft boards have someone (hello my beautiful son Filip) because they like the guy. Denisenko is a player who you get much more out of watching him play than watching the scoresheet. Also, the Rangers have certainly shown a certain flair for Eastern Europeans lately - they have solid scouting over there that some other teams around the NHL seemingly lack.

2nd rounders. Niklas Nordgren, this guy is Zucc 2.0, I'd be shocked if we didn't have him thoroughly scouted. Isac Lundestrom, a solid all around player from SHL where we have a heavy scouting department. Jan Jenik, I just personally like this guy, very young, fell down some boards because of missing part of the year due to illness, he is more of a development player and I see that fitting perfectly with us because of the amount of prospects we will have graduating within the next 16 months.

No chance Tkachuk or Wahlstrom fall to us. Also no chance Ty Smith is there in the 20's, he's not getting past 12.

 

[GregSirico]

I’d really like to see the rangers make a move to get Oliver Wahlstrom. This team hasn’t seen a 40 goal scorer since 14’ in rick Nash and a 70 point player since 11’ in Marian gaborik. Not saying wahlstrom is a lock for either of those milestones but he sure has the highest ceiling of all forwards in the draft not named zadina or svechnikov. With arguably the best shot in the draft it’d be cool to see a home grown elite scorer in a blueshirt

I've been on that horn for a while now. He's literally the perfect fit for the Rangers. Problem is he won't get to us unless we move up to Arizona/Detroit.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I’d rather Moore than either of those. Nastier and more mobile.

I'd like that... sign him and if he struggles, deal him for Laine, Kucherov or someone else trying to carve out a niche as a top-six W in the NHL... throw in the 3rd, done deal. Seriously, Moore is a good option... just tie his elbows down.

 

[Chytiljuicee]

I've been on that horn for a while now. He's literally the perfect fit for the Rangers. Problem is he won't get to us unless we move up to Arizona/Detroit.

I’ve seen articles on the athletic about Detroit’s willingness to move up and down the top 10 and I’m sure if we take on a contract from Ottawa in the process of moving up to 4 melnyk would walk Dorion over to our table on draft day to make the deal. (Joking) but there’s options. And in the past we’ve seen JG have deals lined up that fell through like McD for hall and #4OA (Keller) until pulj fell into their lap. So if they truly feel that he’s a fit I can see them making the move

 

[GregSirico]

I’ve seen articles on the athletic about Detroit’s willingness to move up and down the top 10 and I’m sure if we take on a contract from Ottawa in the process of moving up to 4 melnyk would walk Dorion over to our table on draft day to make the deal. (Joking) but there’s options. And in the past we’ve seen JG have deals lined up that fell through like McD for hall and #4OA (Keller) until pulj fell into their lap. So if they truly feel that he’s a fit I can see them making the move

I just wish I knew what their thinking was. I'm literally all over the map with what their board looks like and what they value. I like that Jeff talks about character, but I just hope they don't over value non athletic traits enough to make a bad choice. Like, I like Tkachuk but I don't like him at 3/4 but I do love him at 7-9.

 

[Avery16]

I'd like that... sign him and if he struggles, deal him for Laine, Kucherov or someone else trying to carve out a niche as a top-six W in the NHL... throw in the 3rd, done deal. Seriously, Moore is a good option... just tie his elbows down.

This being said, I’m eager to see how Lindgren, Hajek, Rykov, Bigras and Day all look in camp. One or more could make a push.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Correct me if I'm wrong that Chytil's ELC can slide a year and so he'll be in the AHL all of next year?

 

[Chytiljuicee]

I just wish I knew what their thinking was. I'm literally all over the map with what their board looks like and what they value. I like that Jeff talks about character, but I just hope they don't over value non athletic traits enough to make a bad choice. Like, I like Tkachuk but I don't like him at 3/4 but I do love him at 7-9.

Yeah talk like that leads me to believe they’ll never take guys like merkley or mascherin even if their value is way higher than the selection we’d use on them but when it comes to our first choice I think we need to select a forward with the highest ceiling. We passed on Mittlestadt last year and got our guy, now it’s time to roll the dice and get a guy you can potentially build around

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

This being said, I’m eager to see how Lindgren, Hajek, Rykov, Bigras and Day all look in camp. One or more could make a push.

Do you count Pedrie out? What if Bereglazov is a new guy in the fall?

 

[Avery16]

Do you count Pedrie out? What if Bereglazov is a new guy in the fall?

I think Pedrie, Zborovskiy, and Crawley are earmarked for Hartford (or Greeneville) but will get a look too, sure. Bereglazov’s contract was terminated, he’s not coming back.

 

[TheTakedown]

No.

14+19 for 9 I would seriously consider.

Only if you can do Zucc for Florida's #15. Rangers would have 14, 15, 26, and 28 in the 1st round.

Then you take one of the 14/15 picks, package it with one of the 26/28 picks, and get back into the top 5

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Correct me if I'm wrong that Chytil's ELC can slide a year and so he'll be in the AHL all of next year?

Chytil's contract can slide one more year and to me, that would be something to take into account when calling him up. Having Chytil on an ELC until 2022 would be amazing.

 

[LORDE]

I just wish I knew what their thinking was. I'm literally all over the map with what their board looks like and what they value. I like that Jeff talks about character, but I just hope they don't over value non athletic traits enough to make a bad choice. Like, I like Tkachuk but I don't like him at 3/4 but I do love him at 7-9.

This is my big fear also... when we picked McIlrath (not trying to start a thing here) I remember them talking about his character and grit. I’m not saying McIlrath wasn’t athletic but we need top end skill not someone who speaks well, wears a monacle and knows which fork is for salad.