Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[bobbop]

This goes back to the Malahkhov precedent, and the Rangers used this in the Zibanajed deal. In actual salary, the Rangers paid an additional $2M on Brassard, saving the Sens money. 2nd rounders are for $2M in salary, and that's the reason why the Rangers got an extra 2nd round pick in the Zibanajad deal.

CLB ponied up a 1st and a 2nd to Vegas to take on Clarkson. Clarkson is owed $3 & change in real dollars this year, thus the 1st.

There was a lot more to that deal than just Clarkson and the draft picks. In fact it was a terrible deal but also remember the $3MM now was closer to $10MM two seasons ago.

 

[howztheglass]

A second round draft choice is worth $2-3MM. Reference point -- the timing of the Mika Zibanejad trade. Taking on the contract to move up three spots sounds like a fair deal. It makes it a little tougher to maneuver through the summer but not impossible. It may be part of a bigger deal though. Vegas cap is really a mess.

I guess the real question is taking on Clarkson contract worth moving up 3 spots in the draft in the package that was proposed.

Still thinking there will multiple players the Rangers are looked at in either 17 or 20.

 

[Alluckks]

The replies to that Zucc tweet by the Stars is hilarious

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Anyone know what time the buyout window opens? Is it midnight tonight? The exact language in the CBA describes the buyout window as simply:

beginning the later of June 15 or forty-eight (48) hours after the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Finals and ending at 5:00 p.m. New York time on June 30

So, by my read, we should start to see news regarding buyouts tomorrow morning, no?

 

[SA16]

Anyone know what time the buyout window opens? Is it midnight tonight? The exact language in the CBA describes the buyout window as simply:



So, by my read, we should start to see news regarding buyouts tomorrow morning, no?

I don't remember when they occurred in previous years but logically you should be more likely to see them towards the end of the window because presumably a team should be exploring trades for any player they are considering buying out.

Edit: Since 2013 there have been 79 buyouts in the regular window.

June 30 - 26
June 29 - 8
June 28 - 1
June 27 - 7

I'm not sure if the 30th has been the deadline every year.

 

[Trxjw]

Anyone know what time the buyout window opens? Is it midnight tonight? The exact language in the CBA describes the buyout window as simply:

So, by my read, we should start to see news regarding buyouts tomorrow morning, no?

Yup, it opens at midnight EST. Players need to be put on waivers first though, so they generally don't start getting announced until noon.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I don't remember when they occurred in previous years but logically you should be more likely to see them towards the end of the window because presumably a team should be exploring trades for any player they are considering buying out.

I would imagine those conversations have mostly happened – and unless there were real possibilities already identified still in the process of being hammered out, the team would actually rather move quickly to free up flexibility ASAP (and avoid keeping the player on tenterhooks). We bought out Girardi, for example, on June 14.

EDIT: although per your edit, perhaps that was the exception to the rule...

 

[Mac n Gs]

@ZuccsFluffierFluffer is a bum and posted it in the wrong thread. Lebrun speculating the Jets might listen on Ehlers to help with cap room. They’d probably want a D back to hedge losing Trouba.

Ehlers is exactly the type of player I’d move Skjei for- locked up for 6 more years at a reasonable number. Incredibly skilled and productive, plus he’s still 23 years old.

• A few sources have suggested the cap-crunched Jets are listening to offers on Nikolaj Ehlers, among others. The speedy winger, 23, has six more years on his deal at a $6-million cap hit. I would think if Winnipeg did move him it would be for a defenceman so they could protect themselves against a trade of Jacob Trouba and potentially losing Tyler Myers to free agency.

 

[SA16]

I would imagine those conversations have mostly happened – and unless there were real possibilities already identified still in the process of being hammered out, the team would actually rather move quickly to free up flexibility ASAP (and avoid keeping the player on tenterhooks). We bought out Girardi, for example, on June 14.

EDIT: although per your edit, perhaps that was the exception to the rule...

Also per my edit I just saw there were another 23 July buyouts. These were in 2013 after the lockout so things may have been a bit weird that year. If I remove 2013 that is then 42/60 buyouts on the 27th or later.

You're probably right that they have mostly discussed it but it's kind of weird because there really isn't much, if any, disadvantage to waiting until towards the end to see if someone happens to surprise you with an offer.

 

[Fitzy]

Would Kreider take the Eberle deal 5x 5.5?

I’d resign him for that

I'd love that. I'd gladly give him a full NMC for taking that deal.

 

[SA16]

Skjei+20 for Ehlers. The trade is two for one.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Would love a blockbuster to acquire both Ehlers and Trouba.

Spitballing a possible deal, what would it take? Skjei + ADA + ...who? Andersson/Buch? More?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

@ZuccsFluffierFluffer is a bum and posted it in the wrong thread. Lebrun speculating the Jets might listen on Ehlers to help with cap room. They’d probably want a D back to hedge losing Trouba.

Ehlers is exactly the type of player I’d move Skjei for- locked up for 6 more years at a reasonable number. Incredibly skilled and productive, plus he’s still 23 years old.

God dammit.

but yeah, I'd be all over this depending on the price but I'd be much more flexible on giving up some quality assets.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Would love a blockbuster to acquire both Ehlers and Trouba.

Spitballing a possible deal, what would it take? Skjei + ADA + ...who? Andersson/Buch? More?

Skjei+Pionk+Buch+the 2nds.

 

[Raspewtin]

if the Jets are cap crunched wouldn’t Skjei be a problem for them.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Would love a blockbuster to acquire both Ehlers and Trouba.

Spitballing a possible deal, what would it take? Skjei + ADA + ...who? Andersson/Buch? More?

You'r not getting both of them without one of our top prospects going the other way...Chytil or Kravstov. Spare parts won't be enough (even if they are decent spare parts)

 

[Trxjw]

if the Jets are cap crunched wouldn’t Skjei be a problem for them.

That's probably one of the reasons they'd explore an Ehlers deal. If they can swap him for a similarly priced defensemen in the same age range, the reallocation of that money frees them up for some other things. Much easier to find your 4th best top-six winger than a good, young top-4 defensemen. Especially when they have Vesalainen coming over again this fall who they're really high on.

I think guys like Skjei and Buch would be more appealing to the Jets than people think. Hell, maybe even Kreider.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

You'r not getting both of them without one of our top prospects going the other way...Chytil or Kravstov. Spare parts won't be enough (even if they are decent spare parts)

Buch/ADA/Andersson are not spare parts. Jets are in a sticky cap situation they are going to have to get creative in their trade(s).

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Pionk for Roslovic

One for one

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Buch/ADA/Andersson are not spare parts. Jets are in a sticky cap situation they are going to have to get creative in their trade(s).

Compared to 1st pairing defenseman and a 1st line winger they sure are. Buch is a 2nd liner, ADA is right now a top 4 dman, and Andersson is a future very good 3rd liner. The Jets would immietately hang up the phone if that was offered to them.

There will be A LOT of interest for them, especially Ehlers, they can get a very good young offensive prospect for him. Better than what we would offer.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Compared to 1st pairing defenseman and a 1st line winger they sure are. Buch is a 2nd liner, ADA is right now a top 4 dman, and Andersson is a future very good 3rd liner. The Jets would immietately hang up the phone if that was offered to them.

There will be A LOT of interest for them, especially Ehlers, they can get a very good young offensive prospect for him. Better than what we would offer.

As we have learned with our pending UFA Dman, teams dont give up their top prospect for them. Same situation with Trouba.

Ehlers I could see a decent return but had a down year mostly due to injury. His value isnt as high as it was last summer.

 

[Trxjw]

Would love a blockbuster to acquire both Ehlers and Trouba.

Spitballing a possible deal, what would it take? Skjei + ADA + ...who? Andersson/Buch? More?

Not sure ADA is as appealing to a team like the Jets as he is to the Rangers. The Jets are very much a win now team and ADA is a volatile commodity. I could see Buch and Skjei being really appealing to them.

The real wild card would be Trouba. If he's coming with a 1 year contract and the hope that you can re-sign him, well, that's a very, very different price compared to Trouba with a contract extension ready to go.

Seems like a lot for a rebuilding team to jump on, but you never know.

 

[GAGLine]

Skjei+20 for Ehlers. The trade is two for one.

No way I'm giving up that much for Ehlers. He's coming off a 37 points in 62 games season, has yet to produce in the playoffs (0 points in 6 games this year), and Winnipeg is in a cap crunch. We should be taking advantage of them, not the other way around.

 

[Vitto79]

Why would he?

Only way he stays In NY?

 

[Vitto79]

I would take Reeves on the 4th in an absolute heart beat. Very easy decision.

Yea it is . Kinda looks like Vegas has to move him and Miller

How can they sign Gusev and Karlsson ?