Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[GeorgeKaplan]

So you think it makes sense to keep him around? I don’t, not even remotely.

I know, you haven't liked the guy since before they signed him.

 

[Ola]

I know, you haven't liked the guy since before they signed him.

I don’t like to pat my self on the back, but that is correct.

Seriously though, if you don’t want three small rookie RDs entering the season, which I wouldn’t either, it’s not like it would be hard to get like a McQuaid type to help them out.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I really, really like Haula. I'm not sure why Vegas would want to part with him over a player like Eakin or Miller to cut salary over him.

 

[LeetchisGod]

No way I'm giving up that much for Ehlers. He's coming off a 37 points in 62 games season, has yet to produce in the playoffs (0 points in 6 games this year), and Winnipeg is in a cap crunch. We should be taking advantage of them, not the other way around.

Ehlers has zero goals in 21 playoff games. We've seen enough of this garbage from our own players.

 

[SA16]

Ehlers has zero goals in 21 playoff games. We've seen enough of this garbage from our own players.

So he's due.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So he's due.

That's what people kept saying about JT Miller

 

[Zibanejbread]

Ehlers has zero goals in 21 playoff games. We've seen enough of this garbage from our own players.

If we're not gonna be in the playoffs for another 2-3 years, who cares? He's gonna be too old for our team anyway

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Ehlers feels like a guy Carolina would be drooling over right now

 

[JC704]

I have been on Cap Friendly for days, and the more and more I fiddle, the more I realize adding Panarin will likely cause some headaches sooner than later. That, and all the Rangers "center" prospects, save for Brett Howden, have skillsets that can easily work on the wings. Assuming Kreider's contract situation goes reasonably well and the organization doesn't overpay too much, I honestly think they're much better off going after Duchene if they go big fish hunting in FA.

With Zibanejad and Duchene, the organization would have Kreider, Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov in the fold. Add Kakko (presumably) with the No. 2 overall pick and Buchnevich on a fair "bridge" style 3/4 RFA contract (likely $4-4.5 million) + one of Namestnikov/Vesey (I have a feeling at least one is moved), and that is plenty to work with. Duchene had 10 points in 10 playoff games with Columbus under Torts. I think before last season there were a lot of reasonable questions surrounding him, but he answered the call last season. I would much rather Duchene in that $9 million range than Panarin for $1-2 million higher.

The obvious issue is Zib/Duchene are definitely more 1B types, but together they would instantly become one of the best 1-2 C combinations in the East. Rangers would automatically lap several teams, and would just need some tweaks on D to get back to a playoff level. Up front forward wise they'd easily be talented enough.

 

[eco's bones]

Shattenkirk's on the decline. He's had two underachieving years for us and I would move him if I could find a taker. I'm not a fan of how he plays D--he absolutely needs to make up for that with offense and he hasn't done it and I don't see him doing it this year. He can't penalty kill--for the amount of money he's making it's a bad deal for us. Just saying.

 

[SA16]

Shattenkirk's on the decline. He's had two underachieving years for us and I would move him if I could find a taker. I'm not a fan of how he plays D--he absolutely needs to make up for that with offense and he hasn't done it and I don't see him doing it this year. He can't penalty kill--for the amount of money he's making it's a bad deal for us. Just saying.

He was a regular penalty killer in STL from 2011 to 2016 and put up excellent results there - better than Pietrangelo or Bouwmeester did. In fact in that time frame he had the 3rd lowest CA60 and GA60 of any defenseman in the league who played at least 500 4v5 minutes (102 dmen). Washington and the Rangers haven't used him in that role.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I have been on Cap Friendly for days, and the more and more I fiddle, the more I realize adding Panarin will likely cause some headaches sooner than later. That, and all the Rangers "center" prospects, save for Brett Howden, have skillsets that can easily work on the wings. Assuming Kreider's contract situation goes reasonably well and the organization doesn't overpay too much, I honestly think they're much better off going after Duchene if they go big fish hunting in FA.

With Zibanejad and Duchene, the organization would have Kreider, Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov in the fold. Add Kakko (presumably) with the No. 2 overall pick and Buchnevich on a fair "bridge" style 3/4 RFA contract (likely $4-4.5 million) + one of Namestnikov/Vesey (I have a feeling at least one is moved), and that is plenty to work with. Duchene had 10 points in 10 playoff games with Columbus under Torts. I think before last season there were a lot of reasonable questions surrounding him, but he answered the call last season. I would much rather Duchene in that $9 million range than Panarin for $1-2 million higher.

The obvious issue is Zib/Duchene are definitely more 1B types, but together they would instantly become one of the best 1-2 C combinations in the East. Rangers would automatically lap several teams, and would just need some tweaks on D to get back to a playoff level. Up front forward wise they'd easily be talented enough.

I’d rather wait to see what the center position looks like after the next two drafts.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I’d rather wait to see what the center position looks like after the next two drafts.

Plus Duchene wants to play in playoffs like, right now, and I think Friedman's said he wants to play in Nashville

 

[n8]

I have been on Cap Friendly for days, and the more and more I fiddle, the more I realize adding Panarin will likely cause some headaches sooner than later. That, and all the Rangers "center" prospects, save for Brett Howden, have skillsets that can easily work on the wings. Assuming Kreider's contract situation goes reasonably well and the organization doesn't overpay too much, I honestly think they're much better off going after Duchene if they go big fish hunting in FA.

With Zibanejad and Duchene, the organization would have Kreider, Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov in the fold. Add Kakko (presumably) with the No. 2 overall pick and Buchnevich on a fair "bridge" style 3/4 RFA contract (likely $4-4.5 million) + one of Namestnikov/Vesey (I have a feeling at least one is moved), and that is plenty to work with. Duchene had 10 points in 10 playoff games with Columbus under Torts. I think before last season there were a lot of reasonable questions surrounding him, but he answered the call last season. I would much rather Duchene in that $9 million range than Panarin for $1-2 million higher.

The obvious issue is Zib/Duchene are definitely more 1B types, but together they would instantly become one of the best 1-2 C combinations in the East. Rangers would automatically lap several teams, and would just need some tweaks on D to get back to a playoff level. Up front forward wise they'd easily be talented enough.

I could get behind this plan. Obviously St Louis has demonstrated the ability to win the cup with ROR & Brayden Schenn. Neither played like top centers this season but they both showed up for the playoffs. Schenn was a monster last year though. It's a formula that could work but the biggest concern for us then becomes our blue line. Pietro, Parayko, Bouwmeester, Dunn, Gunnarsson... Our blueline probably needs at least 2-3 years to get there if all the kids develop correctly. Maybe one UFA or trade can bolster in latter years....

Pietro, Barrie, Krug, Josi some of the big names in 2020 UFA class.

 

[eco's bones]

More in the trade Kreider--sign Panarin and try to get Trouba camp.

 

[DanielBrassard]

100% on board with acquiring Ehlers. He's the exact type of skilled forward we could use and is probably a bit undervalued based on his raw numbers. Not sure the price but Skjei+20 would be fine

 

[darko]

I really, really like Haula. I'm not sure why Vegas would want to part with him over a player like Eakin or Miller to cut salary over him.

Trade for Haula then make him wear #55 again.

 

[Alluckks]

I'd welcome any of Ehlers/Trouba/Roslovic; the only issue is cost (especially considering the GM we'd be dealing with)

 

[eco's bones]

100% on board with acquiring Ehlers. He's the exact type of skilled forward we could use and is probably a bit undervalued based on his raw numbers. Not sure the price but Skjei+20 would be fine

Too much. I wouldn't do Skjei straight up for Ehlers if only because Brady is our best overall defenseman.

 

[NikC]

I could get behind this plan. Obviously St Louis has demonstrated the ability to win the cup with ROR & Brayden Schenn. Neither played like top centers this season but they both showed up for the playoffs. Schenn was a monster last year though. It's a formula that could work but the biggest concern for us then becomes our blue line. Pietro, Parayko, Bouwmeester, Dunn, Gunnarsson... Our blueline probably needs at least 2-3 years to get there if all the kids develop correctly. Maybe one UFA or trade can bolster in latter years....

Pietro, Barrie, Krug, Josi some of the big names in 2020 UFA class.

So a "plan" is signing a 28 yr old 65p 1B center to multi year $9M contract?

Why? They have no business entertaining that thought at all.
St.louis winning has convinced some of you that they only need to be "good enough ".... lol when will you learn.

 

[Alluckks]

What would y'all give up for Trouba + Ehlers?
Assume that the ask is that Skjei must be included and that they prefer a Center going back as well

 

[RangerBoy]

In that Trouba article by Craig Custance, Trouba admitted to thinking about other teams.

As for Trouba, he admits he’s considering all the options. He’s just not losing sleep over it all.

“There’s places I feel I would fit better if I was traded,” he said. “There’s a lot of questions. It changes every day.”

Custance mentioned the Red Wings, both Florida teams and the Flyers. He spoke with Trouba, Overhardt and a few NHL sources for the feature. The Flyers were mentioned because Fletcher is planning to be super aggressive this summer. He has already made two trades this offseason. Trouba and his fiancée have ties to Michigan and Florida. Custance is based in Michigan. He spoke to Trouba for the article who is skating in Michigan. She graduated from Michigan too. He bought a condo in Florida. She lives there while going to medical school which she will finish in two years.

Unless Trouba signs a long-term contract extension with the Rangers as part of the trade, the Rangers are wasting their time here. The other issue is whether Trouba is worth what $7.5M-$8.5M/$9M per. The long-term extension will cover group III years except for next season. Everyone here says he is #1D. The same people said Shattenkirk was a #1D. No chance. Overhardt will want top dollar for his client. Does Trouba want to become a free agent next summer? It's only one more season. He files for salary arbitration on July 5 and gets a 1 year salary arbitration award or signs a 1 year contract setting up group III next summer for about $6.5M. Trouba has gone the short term contract route twice instead of taking long term security. He knows where he wants to play and how to get there.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

In that Trouba article by Craig Custance, Trouba admitted to thinking about other teams.





Custance mentioned the Red Wings, both Florida teams and the Flyers. He spoke with Trouba, Overhardt and a few NHL sources for the feature. The Flyers were mentioned because Fletcher is planning to be super aggressive this summer. He has already made two trades this offseason. Trouba and his fiancée have ties to Michigan and Florida. Custance is based in Michigan. He spoke to Trouba for the article who is skating in Michigan. She graduated from Michigan too. He bought a condo in Florida. She lives there while going to medical school which she will finish in two years.

Unless Trouba signs a long-term contract extension with the Rangers as part of the trade, the Rangers are wasting their time here. The other issue is whether Trouba is worth what $7.5M-$8.5M/$9M per. The long-term extension will cover group III years except for next season. Everyone here says he is #1D. The same people said Shattenkirk was a #1D. No chance. Overhardt will want top dollar for his client. Does Trouba want to become a free agent next summer? It's only one more season. He files for salary arbitration on July 5 and gets a 1 year salary arbitration award or signs a 1 year contract setting up group III next summer for about $6.5M. Trouba has gone the short term contract route twice instead of taking long term security. He knows where he wants to play and how to get there.

I still laugh every time you call Overhardt Overcharge

 

[Alluckks]

In that Trouba article by Craig Custance, Trouba admitted to thinking about other teams.





Custance mentioned the Red Wings, both Florida teams and the Flyers. He spoke with Trouba, Overhardt and a few NHL sources for the feature. The Flyers were mentioned because Fletcher is planning to be super aggressive this summer. He has already made two trades this offseason. Trouba and his fiancée have ties to Michigan and Florida. Custance is based in Michigan. He spoke to Trouba for the article who is skating in Michigan. She graduated from Michigan too. He bought a condo in Florida. She lives there while going to medical school which she will finish in two years.

Unless Trouba signs a long-term contract extension with the Rangers as part of the trade, the Rangers are wasting their time here. The other issue is whether Trouba is worth what $7.5M-$8.5M/$9M per. The long-term extension will cover group III years except for next season. Everyone here says he is #1D. The same people said Shattenkirk was a #1D. No chance. Overhardt will want top dollar for his client. Does Trouba want to become a free agent next summer? It's only one more season. He files for salary arbitration on July 5 and gets a 1 year salary arbitration award or signs a 1 year contract setting up group III next summer for about $6.5M. Trouba has gone the short term contract route twice instead of taking long term security. He knows where he wants to play and how to get there.

A vetted insider on the Winnipeg board said that he has heard from multiple sources that Chevy has his work cut out for him here with Trouba - specifically talking about limited trade destinations, and then multiplying that with the difficulty in contract asking price.

Winnipeg has already notoriously been a pain to deal with, now they are trading the premium asset here (which is something they have rarely done recently), and they seemingly have to either do it a discount because of obvious factors (Trouba's re-signability and their cap crunch). Or they could simply eat the year on Trouba and let him walk as a UFA at the end of the year (or more likely just trade his rights 1 year from now).

What gives first, Overhardt's contract demands/negotiations with potential suitors, Winnipeg's asking price, or simply Winnipeg's will to deal an asset at what they see as below market value [to the point where they feel they are better off treating him as a 1 year rental]?

 

[RGY]

I mean I am undecided on Trouba due to the cost and injury concerns, but when health and only 25 years old, how could you compare Trouba to Shattenkirk? Its the definition of apples and oranges. Its lazy. Furthermore, if there were some here who saw Shattenkirk as a 1D then that must have been a very small group. And Trouba has the ability to be a 1D. To speak with such certainty about a guy who is 25, can play a shut down role, and produce 50 points is clearly just your bias.