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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

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Rangers are in a very similar situation with Kreider as Winnipeg is with Trouba. Except Kreider doesn't- presumably- want to leave. Trouba is younger and plays a premium position, on the other hand. But still, quite similar I'd say.
 
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I think your looking at Andersson and the #20 for Trouba. I'm sure the Rangers only pull the trigger if they know hes resigning. 7x$8 is a fair price.

I think you can recoup that pick and actually improve it in a Kreider deal. Something like Kreider and Pionk for The #14 plus a B level prospect. Might be able to get Newhook there who could be that #2C to slot behind Zbad (when he develops not next season).

Then the question is do you sign Panarin for just cap space or explore expanding the Trouba deal to add Ehlers. Would be cheaper then signing Panarin but at the cost of more assets.
 
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Alluckks said:
A vetted insider on the Winnipeg board said that he has heard from multiple sources that Chevy has his work cut out for him here with Trouba - specifically talking about limited trade destinations, and then multiplying that with the difficulty in contract asking price.

Winnipeg has already notoriously been a pain to deal with, now they are trading the premium asset here (which is something they have rarely done recently), and they seemingly have to either do it a discount because of obvious factors (Trouba's re-signability and their cap crunch). Or they could simply eat the year on Trouba and let him walk as a UFA at the end of the year (or more likely just trade his rights 1 year from now).

What gives first, Overhardt's contract demands/negotiations with potential suitors, Winnipeg's asking price, or simply Winnipeg's will to deal an asset at what they see as below market value [to the point where they feel they are better off treating him as a 1 year rental]?
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Yeah, and this is not surprising at all.

Most kids nowadays have a very limited group of potential destinations. We are not guaranteed to be on it, but it will certainly affect his trade value.

I also think there are some legit concern regarding how good the kid really is. But of course he would help us a lot and be a great add. But the cost vs what you get is all that matters.
 
RangerBoy said:
In that Trouba article by Craig Custance, Trouba admitted to thinking about other teams.





Custance mentioned the Red Wings, both Florida teams and the Flyers. He spoke with Trouba, Overhardt and a few NHL sources for the feature. The Flyers were mentioned because Fletcher is planning to be super aggressive this summer. He has already made two trades this offseason. Trouba and his fiancée have ties to Michigan and Florida. Custance is based in Michigan. He spoke to Trouba for the article who is skating in Michigan. She graduated from Michigan too. He bought a condo in Florida. She lives there while going to medical school which she will finish in two years.

Unless Trouba signs a long-term contract extension with the Rangers as part of the trade, the Rangers are wasting their time here. The other issue is whether Trouba is worth what $7.5M-$8.5M/$9M per. The long-term extension will cover group III years except for next season. Everyone here says he is #1D. The same people said Shattenkirk was a #1D. No chance. Overhardt will want top dollar for his client. Does Trouba want to become a free agent next summer? It's only one more season. He files for salary arbitration on July 5 and gets a 1 year salary arbitration award or signs a 1 year contract setting up group III next summer for about $6.5M. Trouba has gone the short term contract route twice instead of taking long term security. He knows where he wants to play and how to get there.
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that is the only way the rangers make a deal. they aren't interested in trouba for next year, if you are after him its to make him part of the long term solution. so if he's not willing to re-sign here then there is no trade to discuss
 
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I wonder if we could do a Kreider + Pionk + pick(s) for Trouba.

My logic is that the Jets get a top 6 forward for added punch up front, at a very reasonable contract (even if we eat say 25%) a decent,young Dman and a pick(s). This allows the Jets to resign Myers and still go for it this year. Worse case ,they trade Kreider at the deadline or trade his rights after the season ends, if they don't want to sign him, or if he doesn't want to sign there. The Jets will not get fair market value in a trade for Trouba now.
For the Rangers, they get a player they can try to sign long term, allowing him to get to know the organization, team, city, etc...If they can't sign him before the trading deadline, trade him, they would get more than if they were trading Kreider.
 
SA16 said:
I think it is much closer to being too little than being too much and I don’t think WPG would do it.
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Devil's advocate: Winnipeg has the cap issues, pressure to win soon, a formula that didn't work. If we see Skjei's worts, odds are Winnipeg sees Ehlers, hence the speculation. Terrible post seasons, injuries, average returns that barely justify the contract. The jets have pressure to shake it up, sign UFAs and RFAs, and defense is valued higher than wings.

In fact, I don't see why we do it player for player. Wing isn't a glaring need, defense is the issue. I'm not against trading Skjei, or anyone, but it should be to address a large need.

Average wings are going to be traded at a loss this summer. Sit tight and court desperate teams on July 7 when cap space is gone and we have a wealth of cheap assets.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Club-elected salary arbitration is different. It only applies to players making over 2.19m
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2.19 mil isn't very high...i would have never guessed the number was that low.

either way hoping the jets file against trouba and he ends up with a 1 year deal
 
mrhockey193195 said:
Am I be only person who is not enamored by Trouba? Some of these proposals scare the crap out of me.
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I'm not particularly interested either. It'd be one thing if he was already signed to a long term deal at a good number. But to give up quality assets and also have to pay market rate for an extension? Not enticing to me.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
What worries me about Trouba is that he has acted like an entitled little ***** and I would not be confident in him signing with the Rangers. He has forced his way off of 1 team already. Unless an extension is in place, I don't feel confident trading for him
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Yeah I think I'm putting myself into the no EK/breadman/Duchene/Trouba camp full on.

Let's see what we've got in these kids this year, they need room.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
What worries me about Trouba is that he has acted like an entitled little ***** and I would not be confident in him signing with the Rangers. He has forced his way off of 1 team already. Unless an extension is in place, I don't feel confident trading for him
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What has he done wrong? He’s not obligated to sign long term with a team he doesn’t want to play for.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
What worries me about Trouba is that he has acted like an entitled little ***** and I would not be confident in him signing with the Rangers. He has forced his way off of 1 team already. Unless an extension is in place, I don't feel confident trading for him
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There is zero chance we trade for him without an extension. Again if we are after him it’s to make him apart of the long term solution
 
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NYRKING30 said:
Im starting not wanting Trouba at all. Trade or free agency.
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I would love to get Gostisbhere just as much. Misused in Philly. Four more years at a great rate.

Think he would help the kids a lot, with him and TDA and Fox and co they would get them involved offensively.
 
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