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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

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Leetch3 said:
I think Trouba is a perfect fit and adds a dimension to the right side that we really don't have in the system...but I have little interest in paying what I expect to be the price to get him at this point. I'd rather hope he hits UFA next summer
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What if Trouba wants $8.5M-$9M as a free agent next summer for 7 years?
 
RGY said:
I agree with the concerns about Point’s stats being inflated on a high scoring Tampa team, although he is still very talented and we saw JT Miller disappoint on that same team.

Trouba, however, I completely disagree about not being necessary. A big RHD who can chip in offensively and is only 25? Thats a massive need around the league and we are not exempt. Now if you want to say the cost to acquire is the deciding factor then I can agree with that.
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Absolutely the cost factors in. I'm viewing this in 'the now' as opposed to IF he reaches UFA, which I just have a hard time envisioning considering his widespread need around the league. We have a bunch of question mark ceilings in our current crop of players .. we need to see how they progress and what contracts they'll demand. We literally have no idea what we have with such a young team.
 
jas said:
My first thought is that Andersson is the prospect he is referring to. @Edge has said before that Andersson is someone the Rangers could see as an asset to include in a deal to either draft one of the prospects they like in this draft or go in a deal for a young player they like, so I wouldn’t be shocked at it happening.
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If I remember correctly, he said he didn’t see the Rangers making those types of moves until 2020 at the earliest. Trading one or two younger players for a more established young player.
 
RangerBoy said:
What if Trouba wants $8.5M-$9M as a free agent next summer for 7 years?
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whether or not he's worth that contract is a different topic...but I certainly don't want to give up a pile of assets to trade for him so we can give him that deal. if you are trading for him you've already made the decision that he is worth that contract, other wise you wouldn't be trading for him. but as a UFA its only money
 
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RGY said:
I think one of Namestnikov or Vesey are traded at the draft for additional pick(s) and for cap space.

I think part of the discussions with Kreider for an extension can be more consciously engaged in if they know their cap situation has opened up more.
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of the 2 I think vesey is the more likely to be moved...namestnikov gives them more versatility being able to play all 3 forward positions if needed.
 
RangerBoy said:
What if Trouba wants $8.5M-$9M as a free agent next summer for 7 years?
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I personally would have no problem at ALL with that. $8.5-9.0MM in today's NHL isn't what it was 5 years ago; going forward, the superstars are going to command $12-14MM. And you'd be paying for the player's age 26-32 years. For a top-pair RHD with size? Absofreakinglutely.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
I agree with this in general, but Trouba is an exception for me – provided the deal primarily revolves around leveraging the team's Skjei/LHD prospect depth to acquire him.
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I can definitely understand that line of thinking. He's a very good player. Still, I think he's probably at peak value today. I'm not really that interested in guys at peak value. That time will hopefully come soon but for now I'm all about finding value in potential.
 
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Names is an interesting player. He gets criticized for being a passenger during his time in Tampa, but that's the exact reason I think teams would like to add him. It's very hard to find versatile, defensively responsible players who can skate a regular shift with your stars while actually putting up points.

I can easily see him having a career like Pascal Dupuis. An unsung player who had his best years as a key winger for a star player.
 
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Trxjw said:
I can definitely understand that line of thinking. He's a very good player. Still, I think he's probably at peak value today. I'm not really that interested in guys at peak value. That time will hopefully come soon but for now I'm all about finding value in potential.
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I hear ya. And again, it's all dependent on cost and resource allocation. But if those factors line up, I jump at the opportunity, because I just don't see all that many players who bring what he does at his position at his stage of his career – or even have the potential to do so. If we were talking about an all-around, mid-sized LHD, I'd be casting a MUCH wider net.
 
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RangerBoy said:
If I remember correctly, he said he didn’t see the Rangers making those types of moves until 2020 at the earliest. Trading one or two younger players for a more established young player.
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In the podcast, yes, but in other conversations, Andersson has come up as a prospect who might be available in the right deal.
 
Leetch3 said:
whether or not he's worth that contract is a different topic...but I certainly don't want to give up a pile of assets to trade for him so we can give him that deal. if you are trading for him you've already made the decision that he is worth that contract, other wise you wouldn't be trading for him. but as a UFA its only money
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I don't think it is.
 
Gardner McKay said:
I don't think it is.
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there are really 3 parts to looking to bring in a guy like trouba....1) is he the right guy? 2) is he worth the contract he has or will get? and 3) is he worth the assets it will take to trade for him? If you answer no to #1, then 2 & 3 don't matter. but you can also say yes to #1 and no to 2 & 3. or yes to 1 & 2 but still no to #3. thats what I meant by its different than whether or not it makes sense to give up assets in a trade vs UFA
 
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Rongomania said:
Yeah, the 'give up on Lias crowd' will be in full effect on this one.

It's unreal to me. I honestly hope it's him over Chytil to break out this year (if it's either of them that wind up doing that).
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Them in the AHL also likely keeps the main stream media out of the conversation.

Instead of them writing about how the prospects did not break out quick enough for them, they'd be writing about why the prospects are not being brought up to play in place of the others.
 
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If the Rangers are moving prospects I'd rather see them go after someone like Nylander than Trouba.

It's not so much the age or position, more so Nylander has an artificially lowered cap hit due to the hold out and his pending no trade could be dissolved upon trade.

Trouba is likely going to demand a no movement clause in his next contract and his cap hit I believe will be at best fair market value.

Trading prospects for a player who could come in at better than fair market value, who they could still trade again at any time, to anywhere or keep and use the possible cap hit savings elsewhere I'd understand more so than trading those prospects for a player who would absolutely have to work out on the Rangers for them to get fair market value out of.
 
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After quickly looking over the roster--going into next year with no trades or buyouts were looking at a defense of:

Skjie--Pionk
Staal-ADA
Shatt-Hajek/ Smith/ Rykov
Fox ( stats in the minors )/ Lindgren

Now if we did try to trade for Trouba say ( Skjie and Anderson--this would move out 6.4 million or so ) and sign Trouba for 8 were looking a difference of 1.6 million--that's not crazy. It's possible he wants more but were not sure at this point.

Next year defense a combination of:

Trouba-Hajek
Staal-ADA
Shatt-Poink/ Smith/ Rykov
Fox

Year 2 hopefully were looking at:

Trouba-Hajek
Fox-Staal/ Shatt/ Pionk ( Lindgren )
Rykov-ADA

Hopefully with holding some salary on Staal or Shattenkirk they can be moved.

Still on the farm getting closer:

Crawley
Lindgren
Bigras--maybe not so much.
Raddysh
Reunanen
Keane
Nile L
Miller

Not all will make it but the future is bright.

You can change the combinations if you want a just really plugged names in--personally I liked what I saw in Lindgren whom may or may not stick with the big club this season.

Trouba could change the look of the defense and at his age would go along with the youth movement.
 
pld459666 said:
We are still materially better
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materially better without making the playoffs just means we pick lower in the draft. If that's where you are as a team, fine. But you don't get the biggest gun on the market if the only thing to gain from it is picking lower in the draft. It is counterproductive to the rebuild and delays our window for serious competition.
 
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