Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

[Leetch3]

I kind of think Fox should spend some time in the AHL. If they are intent on getting it together down there, having some talent down there would probably help in that process especially at RD.

They should have goal-tending this year if Shesterkin adapts well.

Without buyouts or trades of the NHL D, they could have a full actual good 8 D core that includes three RD, yet Rykov and Reunanen have out clauses so they may be down to 6.

Hajek, Lindgren, Crawley, (Reunanen, Rykov)

Fox, Keane, Raddysh

(Bigras maybe stays too, Bergman I think I saw was leaving)

Maybe put a little more onus on D development at the AHL level with intent on teaching them what they'll be doing at the NHL level so when they can finally move on from Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk those guys can maybe step in pretty seamlessly?

To me that seems to be kind of a two part possible solution, they don't need to buyout anyone, and maybe it helps the AHL become more stable.

I consider the second 2nd round pick gone cause Fox will play more than 30 games, but I also see him spending a chunk of time in the AHL this year.

 

[Leetch3]

so if kravtsov, kakko, chytil and buchnevich are all wingers...who do you see on LW vs RW? individually i'd probably put them all at RW but obviously they won't all be playing RW for us.

 

[GAGLine]

so if kravtsov, kakko, chytil and buchnevich are all wingers...who do you see on LW vs RW? individually i'd probably put them all at RW but obviously they won't all be playing RW for us.

I don't really think it matters that much. I'm sure some of them at least will play both depending on who the are playing with.

 

[Off Sides]

I consider the second 2nd round pick gone cause Fox will play more than 30 games, but I also see him spending a chunk of time in the AHL this year.

I too think he will get 30 NHL games, more so I don't see why they have to be at the very start of the season. If he is great in camp, looks completely ready sure I think he should play in the NHL right away, yet if not or even if it's questionable that perhaps he needs some adjustment time I don't see the need for them to have already rushed it by making other moves just to open up a roster spot for him.

If they need spot after camp because he did so well, send Smith down, trade or waive Claesson, scratch Shattenkirk. Buying out out someone just to make a spot before they even know if they need one, I don't get it.

It's not exclusive to Fox either, Kravtsov, even the #2 pick. If the AHL is going to be a developmental step for the Rangers going forward what is the need to get anyone questionable into the NHL right away?

 

[Leetch3]

Rykov's EAC only applies to the 2nd year.

Having Fox in Hartford might be best for Hartford, but what is best for Fox?

100% what is best for Fox is what matters. but I don't think AHL time will hurt him. you've also got ADA, pionk and shattenkirk on the right side in NY. Fox is the only guy that doesn't need waivers, so depending on how things work out in NY I can see Fox getting some games down there for no other reason than to get him more playing time. you don't want him sitting.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Carpiniello has a new article. My head hurts after reading it.



How many "hockey trades" are made in the current NHL? Everything comes down to the contract.

The Rangers have assets to trade but what are they getting back?

He writes the Rangers will be aggressive but they won't be crazy. He brought up Trouba. The Rangers like him. They don't love him. The cost of getting him and paying him will be too much.



The 2020 first round pick could be a better player than Point. This same guy said the Rangers wouldn't be so bad last season and they would NEVER get the opportunity to select at the top of the draft. Henrik is too good for that to happen.

Point is a nice player. The "next" Point. GTFOH.

The Rangers are a rebuilding team.

I like Mika very much but I am not sold on him long-term here.

My first thought is that Andersson is the prospect he is referring to. @Edge has said before that Andersson is someone the Rangers could see as an asset to include in a deal to either draft one of the prospects they like in this draft or go in a deal for a young player they like, so I wouldn’t be shocked at it happening.

 

[Leetch3]

Carpiniello has a new article. My head hurts after reading it.



How many "hockey trades" are made in the current NHL? Everything comes down to the contract.

The Rangers have assets to trade but what are they getting back?

He writes the Rangers will be aggressive but they won't be crazy. He brought up Trouba. The Rangers like him. They don't love him. The cost of getting him and paying him will be too much.



The 2020 first round pick could be a better player than Point. This same guy said the Rangers wouldn't be so bad last season and they would NEVER get the opportunity to select at the top of the draft. Henrik is too good for that to happen.

Point is a nice player. The "next" Point. GTFOH.

The Rangers are a rebuilding team.

I like Mika very much but I am not sold on him long-term here.

eventually guys are going to get traded...there is pretty much 0% chance that all these kids we are drafting and traded for will play together on broadway. there are too many guys and its not realistic. At some point, we are going to use the depth to make a trade to fill holes to complete the team. but we aren't ready for that now. unless its a deal that simply can't be passed up, there is way too much unknown to start moving out guys at this point...

as far as offer sheet goes...people need to wake up. we are in this whole situation because we traded away 4 1st round picks. that left a void in the system that required us to blow the entire thing up and start over. and now 2 years later people want to give up another 4 straight 1st round picks. its madness to even discuss it

 

[Ghost of jas]

And, as others have stated, how much of Point’s production is due to him being on an offensively stacked team? I’m not buying the ‘offer sheet’ route, especially after the Rangers went four straight years without a 1st.

 

[Ghost of jas]

so if kravtsov, kakko, chytil and buchnevich are all wingers...who do you see on LW vs RW? individually i'd probably put them all at RW but obviously they won't all be playing RW for us.

Here’s a thought...Kreider actually takes a hometown discount, and the Rangers move Buchnevich instead. Kreider and Chytil on LW, Kakko and Kravtsov on RW.

 

[Rongomania]

And, as others have stated, how much of Point’s production is due to him being on an offensively stacked tram? I’m not buying the ‘offer sheet’ route, especially after the Rangers went four straight years without a 1st.

Vlad Namestnikov was a 50+ point player on that team.

I don't buy Point being 'Tampa Point' in NY.

I also think Trouba isn't necessary. Let's see what we freakin' have this season, we have no idea what this team winds up looking like after the draft, let alone in September.

 

[Leetch3]

I too think he will get 30 NHL games, more so I don't see why they have to be at the very start of the season. If he is great in camp, looks completely ready sure I think he should play in the NHL right away, yet if not or even if it's questionable that perhaps he needs some adjustment time I don't see the need for them to have already rushed it by making other moves just to open up a roster spot for him.

If they need spot after camp because he did so well, send Smith down, trade or waive Claesson, scratch Shattenkirk. Buying out out someone just to make a spot before they even know if they need one, I don't get it.

It's not exclusive to Fox either, Kravtsov, even the #2 pick. If the AHL is going to be a developmental step for the Rangers going forward what is the need to get anyone questionable into the NHL right away?

and thats why its so important to get hartford fixed...it needs to be an option for guys if they need more time.

 

[Off Sides]

eventually guys are going to get traded...there is pretty much 0% chance that all these kids we are drafting and traded for will play together on broadway. there are too many guys and its not realistic. At some point, we are going to use the depth to make a trade to fill holes to complete the team. but we aren't ready for that now. unless its a deal that simply can't be passed up, there is way too much unknown to start moving out guys at this point...

as far as offer sheet goes...people need to wake up. we are in this whole situation because we traded away 4 1st round picks. that left a void in the system that required us to blow the entire thing up and start over. and now 2 years later people want to give up another 4 straight 1st round picks. its madness to even discuss it

Sure, yet until they know what they have in these prospects how are they going to know which ones to trade and which ones to keep?

Andersson I think struggled last season, Rangers are going to trade away every prospects who struggles in their rookie season when they probably should have spent most of, if not the whole year in the AHL?

And people then wonder why I think the prospects should probably stay in the AHL a little longer.

 

[Leetch3]

Vlad Namestnikov was a 50+ point player on that team.

I don't buy Point being 'Tampa Point' in NY.

I also think Trouba isn't necessary. Let's see what we freakin' have this season, we have no idea what this team winds up looking like after the draft, let alone in September.

I think Trouba is a perfect fit and adds a dimension to the right side that we really don't have in the system...but I have little interest in paying what I expect to be the price to get him at this point. I'd rather hope he hits UFA next summer

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

All of these pundits seem to base their acquisition suggestions on the very complex algorithm of: NHL.com + stats + sort by points.

The Rangers need to find players who can out perform their contract and acquisition cost. Trouba and Point are great players but they aren't that kind of target. Ristolainen, Nylander, etc. Young players with term that have upside to be a bargain if they reach their ceiling.

I agree with this in general, but Trouba is an exception for me – provided the deal primarily revolves around leveraging the team's Skjei/LHD prospect depth to acquire him.

 

[Leetch3]

Sure, yet until they know what they have in these prospects how are they going to know which ones to trade and which ones to keep?

Andersson I think struggled last season, Rangers are going to trade away every prospects who struggles in their rookie season when they probably should have spent most of, if not the whole year in the AHL?

And people then wonder why I think the prospects should probably stay in the AHL a little longer.

this is basically what I was trying to say...I don't see the rangers giving up on any of the kids yet. And on the flip side, none of the kids have been so amazing that they are locks and guys behind them don't stand a chance. its all on the table. no one is untouchable but I don't see us in a rush to move guys either

 

[Rongomania]

I think Trouba is a perfect fit and adds a dimension to the right side that we really don't have in the system...but I have little interest in paying what I expect to be the price to get him at this point. I'd rather hope he hits UFA next summer

He is good and we don't have a strong defensive presence on the right side, you're correct.

No way is he worth what we'd have to give up. You're talking Chytil territory.. no?

 

[Rongomania]

Sure, yet until they know what they have in these prospects how are they going to know which ones to trade and which ones to keep?

Andersson I think struggled last season, Rangers are going to trade away every prospects who struggles in their rookie season when they probably should have spent most of, if not the whole year in the AHL?

And people then wonder why I think the prospects should probably stay in the AHL a little longer.

Yeah, the 'give up on Lias crowd' will be in full effect on this one.

It's unreal to me. I honestly hope it's him over Chytil to break out this year (if it's either of them that wind up doing that).

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Ok, which one of you anti-rebuild posters wrote that article for Carp? Come on now.

 

[Lion Hound]

Off topic somewhat.

Will there be a NYR Captain named this season? ....Or are they just going to go with A's again? Zbad perhaps?

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

The 2OA pick is pretty safe but aside from that we don't know what we have with our picks/young players. We can still be one of the worst teams in the league for 4 years with a Point/Panarin/Karlsson, without the big player being a huge bust and without the organization doing anything cataclysmically wrong, if we just don't get the right development out of the key ~10 people.

 

[Vitto79]

I think they exhaust all options and if stuck w Smith he’s bought out in the 2nd window

They shouldn’t be but they will

 

[RGY]

Vlad Namestnikov was a 50+ point player on that team.

I don't buy Point being 'Tampa Point' in NY.

I also think Trouba isn't necessary. Let's see what we freakin' have this season, we have no idea what this team winds up looking like after the draft, let alone in September.

I agree with the concerns about Point’s stats being inflated on a high scoring Tampa team, although he is still very talented and we saw JT Miller disappoint on that same team.

Trouba, however, I completely disagree about not being necessary. A big RHD who can chip in offensively and is only 25? Thats a massive need around the league and we are not exempt. Now if you want to say the cost to acquire is the deciding factor then I can agree with that.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I think Trouba is a perfect fit and adds a dimension to the right side that we really don't have in the system...but I have little interest in paying what I expect to be the price to get him at this point. I'd rather hope he hits UFA next summer

I'd rather we take this route as well if they want Trouba.

 

[RGY]

I think one of Namestnikov or Vesey are traded at the draft for additional pick(s) and for cap space.

I think part of the discussions with Kreider for an extension can be more consciously engaged in if they know their cap situation has opened up more.

 

[RangerBoy]

eventually guys are going to get traded...there is pretty much 0% chance that all these kids we are drafting and traded for will play together on broadway. there are too many guys and its not realistic. At some point, we are going to use the depth to make a trade to fill holes to complete the team. but we aren't ready for that now. unless its a deal that simply can't be passed up, there is way too much unknown to start moving out guys at this point...

as far as offer sheet goes...people need to wake up. we are in this whole situation because we traded away 4 1st round picks. that left a void in the system that required us to blow the entire thing up and start over. and now 2 years later people want to give up another 4 straight 1st round picks. its madness to even discuss it

The Rangers won’t have enough room for all of these players and some of them probably won’t make it. Can we wait and see what some of these players are before the Rangers start trading players away? It’s hard to make a pure hockey deal.