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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

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RangerBoy said:
Carpiniello has a new article. My head hurts after reading it.



How many "hockey trades" are made in the current NHL? Everything comes down to the contract.

The Rangers have assets to trade but what are they getting back?

He writes the Rangers will be aggressive but they won't be crazy. He brought up Trouba. The Rangers like him. They don't love him. The cost of getting him and paying him will be too much.



The 2020 first round pick could be a better player than Point. This same guy said the Rangers wouldn't be so bad last season and they would NEVER get the opportunity to select at the top of the draft. Henrik is too good for that to happen.

Point is a nice player. The "next" Point. GTFOH.

The Rangers are a rebuilding team.

I like Mika very much but I am not sold on him long-term here.

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I'm very Pro Panarin, but other than that I hate all this news.

I don't want to trade four first rounders for anyone, let alone Point. I would consider trading, maybe even be in favor of it. I mean, I'll give them #20, a prospect, and a future first maybe (not next year's), but that's a non-starter for them I'm sure.

I would much rather move Kreider for a top-10-ish pick rather than a Trouba-level defender. Maybe that's just not possible.

And most of all, even though I want Panarin, I don't like them in the mindset that they are gonna be back in the playoffs this year, or trying that hard for it. Even though I'm Pro-Panarin, I think they should settle in for another nice bottom-10 finish with the kids. And then make a consolidation trade into the top 3-5 next year for a top center or #1 D.
 
Ola said:
I don't buy going after UFAs, but its hard to deny the quotes from Gorton in Brook's article:

"There’s also the [10%] allowance where you can go over the cap. We’re not looking at it as if we can make only one big move or addition. We’ll see where it goes."

The other day JD said that "it’s very dangerous when players lose hope".

Just calling it like I am seeing it, but if those quotes aren't interpreted as that Gorton will try to at least make one big addition this summer -- I think you are sticking your head in the sand a bit. I agree with you, I also want them to be patient, and I also think there will be some more options around there besides the most expensive UFAs, but Gorton cannot be interpreted as that his plan is to sit put and only pull the trigger on something that he thinks really gives us good value, he is more or less saying that he aggressively will pursue at least one option that will jump start us a little bit, possibly even two.

At least I cannot interpret it in any other way.
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Kinda makes the whole discussion in that other Panarin thread about "No shortcuts" seem pretty silly.
 
Lias + Buchnevich + Pionk for Trouba + Roslovic, Trouba signs extension before season starts
 
bobbop said:
Re: Trouba...I’ve raised the possibility of trading both Andersson and Lundkvist as part of a deal. It’s possible that the two of them could be the deal. Young assets are exactly that, assets.

You need to think like the Jets GM. If they keep Trouba this year as a self rental, he walks for nothing next year. Winnipeg has traded away two firsts and some young players in the last 18 months. They are extremely tight on the cap. They need short and long term help up the middle. They are a draft and develop team.

Now think like Gorton. Trouba is going to be an $8MM player this year or next year. I seriously doubt anyone trades for him unless they are confident he will sign a long term contract which means he is essentially off the market for the future. He is 25. Let that sink in for a minute. He’s a year younger than Mika. And he is an exceptionally good defensive player with some bite, something the Rangers haven’t had on the back end in years. He is not Victor Herman or Drew Doughty but he could be a cornerstone of the rebuild for many years to come.

There’s a deal to be made here.
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Imo he’s not the cornerstone of anything. He’s a good 2-3 guy. That’s not worth that deal imo.
 
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Berserk said:
ADA would be the one not getting the PP time in that situation.
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They can all get PP time.

One plays with unit 1, the others play on unit 2.

Personally, I don't really care if his point totals are spectacular or not. A 30-40 point guy who can play defense is more than enough for me. Fox and DeAngelo can carry the offensive load.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
They can all get PP time.

One plays with unit 1, the others play on unit 2.

Personally, I don't really care if his point totals are spectacular or not. A 30-40 point guy who can play defense is more than enough for me. Fox and DeAngelo can carry the offensive load.
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It’s points vs his contract, $8m is a lot of money for a guy who’s main purpose is to just play defense, you can get that for way cheaper IMO
 
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Ola said:
I don't buy going after UFAs, but its hard to deny the quotes from Gorton in Brook's article:

"There’s also the [10%] allowance where you can go over the cap. We’re not looking at it as if we can make only one big move or addition. We’ll see where it goes."

The other day JD said that "it’s very dangerous when players lose hope".

Just calling it like I am seeing it, but if those quotes aren't interpreted as that Gorton will try to at least make one big addition this summer -- I think you are sticking your head in the sand a bit. I agree with you, I also want them to be patient, and I also think there will be some more options around there besides the most expensive UFAs, but Gorton cannot be interpreted as that his plan is to sit put and only pull the trigger on something that he thinks really gives us good value, he is more or less saying that he aggressively will pursue at least one option that will jump start us a little bit, possibly even two.

At least I cannot interpret it in any other way.
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You can interpret it how you want but Gorton hasn’t swayed AT ALL from patience and build and core.

If u wanna read accelerate or UFA u can but he’s never (nor has JD) said anything close to that.

Patience is what they both say but tea leaves and such
 
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I’d like to say just find the next guy who could be a Trouba-esque RD and trade for him but I’m not even sure who fits the bill

Manson was that guy for a while but he’s older now. Pesce would probably fit the bill for what the Rangers are looking for but he won’t be moved
 
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I'm not really ready to move on from Lias yet.

Maybe in a package for a #1 D or top line forward, but I don't see Trouba as that. I see him as more of a #2/#3 D.
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
It’s points vs his contract, $8m is a lot of money for a guy who’s main purpose is to just play defense, you can get that for way cheaper IMO
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A defensive guy who doesn't murder transition and puts up that kind of production with almost all of it coming at ES would be a pretty massive win IMO and would put him more in the mold of a 2 way D rather than a strict defensive D.

Vlasic signed for what, 7 mill a year at age 30? Is 8 for someone who will be signing said extension when he is 4 years younger really that wild?

The injuries would concern me, his point production would not because its just a nice bonus IMO.
 
Riche16 said:
You can interpret it how you want but Gorton hasn’t swayed AT ALL from patience and build and core.

If u wanna read accelerate or UFA u can but he’s never (nor has JD) said anything close to that.

Patience is what they both say but tea leaves and such
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Yeah, I really read that article as Brooksie trying to create his preferred storyline for obv reasons. Reading between the lines, I heard Gorts basically committing to nothing, just leavings doors open
 
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I would be happy to have Trouba AND Seider. I would rather not rush Seider and let him develop over the next year or so.

In two years we may be moving on from ADA. Maybe he becomes part of a package to fill another hole.

Trouba has the potential, and even ability right now, to handle the minutes as a top pair RHD. He can go up against the best imo and is only 25.

Everything comes down to the cost to acquire him now vs taking a chance and waiting to see if he gets to free agency. And yeah maybe he will command $8-$9 million aav but that is why it is important to have young RHD in the system in case you need to create salary relief by moving ADA. Seider/Lundkvist slides into the 3rd pair RHD slot, Fox moves up to the 2nd pair.
 
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