Yes that is what EVERYONE is saying, implying, thinking, feeling, etc.
Neither were ready at the start of the season or even halfway through it.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI
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Neither were ready at the start of the season or even halfway through it.
if we are drafting Kakko trading for Puljujärvi makes sense if it doesn't cost us much like Vesey or Namestnikov.
I feel pretty good about:
Names/Zibanejad/Buchnevich
Chytil/Kakko/Kravstov
Vesey/Howden/Strome
Lemieux/Andersson/Fast
Beleskey
Lettieri
Nieves
Thats after trading Kreider and assuming we aren't getting an F back. Could still trade any of Names, Vesey and Fast. We won't be vying for a Cup, but that F squad will win some games. Panarin and/or Hayes wouldn't alter that trajectory much.
Names/Zibanejad/Buchnevich
Chytil/Kakko/Kravstov
Vesey/Howden/Strome
Lemieux/Andersson/Fast
Beleskey
Lettieri
Nieves
Thats after trading Kreider and assuming we aren't getting an F back. Could still trade any of Names, Vesey and Fast. We won't be vying for a Cup, but that F squad will win some games. Panarin and/or Hayes wouldn't alter that trajectory much.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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His continuous banging of the drum on a Shattenkirk buyout is just plain weird. Yes he hasn't lived up to expectations on the ice but surely he'd be better as a 3rd pair veteran presence than 5.6m cap hit next year and nearly 2 for each of the following 2 seasons, seasons in which we would ideally be trying to contend again.
Shatty has 2 years left of term. Keep him, hope he bounces back this season and either he can stick in that veteran role for this season or someone will bite on him to move. Buying him out seems like the worst choice in all of this.
LiveLongandProspal
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Shatt should be very tradeable especially with 50% retained. The only buyout I would consider is Staal because we cannot send him down and he can block any trade.
Barnaby
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I’d be shocked.
No long term deal last offseason for Hayes. No major contract negotiations last year that we’ve heard about, but now they want to compete with other teams to pay him as a UFA?
Zucc was turned off big time by this organization. He’d prob want a NTC before dollars even come up. His age doesn’t fit with this team competing at all.
I don’t see the retread route except maybe a depth defenseman like McQuaid type.
Shattenkirk has no real value right now. The best bet for the Rangers is for Shattenkirk to rebuild some value and at the same time burn some more of the contract. If he can rebound and be a useful part, I’ve fine with him doing it here.
What evidence do you have that they were ready? They both didn’t make the team out of camp. If they were both no doubt ready one or the other would have made the team. Especially in the case of Hajek as he was the must have piece in the McDonagh deal. If management and Quinn thought he was ready for a full season, he would have made the team just like they wanted to flaunt Lias Andersson when he wasn’t ready the previous year.
Switch Strome and Kakko please and why is Kakko at center? I’m not sure if having all 3 of those kids on the 2nd line is a good idea. As a 2nd PP unit? Sounds good but not at ES IMO.
So this must be the most astounding report about the Rangers written in years due to Gorton's quotes, jesus this summer is taking off before it even started, I almost fell of the chair reading it:
https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/rangers-arent-shying-away-from-buyouts-this-summer/
Some quotes from Gorton and their perspective:
“In all honesty, we haven’t ruled it out,” general manager Jeff Gorton told The Post on Tuesday when asked if the club intends to go that route. “It’s on the table. And regardless of what we do with this buyout window, we’d certainly look at the second one, too, depending on what comes up over the next few weeks. A lot can happen.”
1. Gorton is basically saying that the 10m or so they will have of cap-space (“The number is about right" according to Gorton) after the RFA's might not be enough for his plans the coming weeks, meaning that they will consider buy-outs during the second window. Seems pretty scary to me.
Gorton follows the above quote up with saying:
"We’re not looking at it as if we can make only one big move or addition. We’ll see where it goes.”"
Then:
."..but I wouldn’t get fixated on that [only 10m of cap space],” the GM said. “I think we have a number of guys who are pretty valuable around the league, so we’re going to have a lot of flexibility over the summer."
2. Lol, we all know that we have one guy who are pretty valuable around the league and who is taking up cap-space (which must be what Gorton is referring to, moving an ELC hardly gives us more flex) and that is of course Chris Kreider, no surprise there. But Gorton is obviously de facto considering adding flexibility, or how it should be put, by moving other guys on our roster taking up cap-space and that are "pretty valuable around the league".
Who can that be? Skjei? Ziba? Strome or Names (are they really valuable around the league)???
3. Then some less explosive stuff, but still newsworthy:
Brooks: "If Kevin Hayes does not sign with the Flyers, who acquired his rights from Winnipeg for a fifth-rounder, before hitting the open market, the Rangers most certainly will check in on the potential prodigal."
Larry probably pitches these things to Gorton when he talks to him, and get a teller if he is out on thin ice or not. But I wouldn't read much into it, Gorton isn't one who closes doors. He will probably check in with Hayes, I don't doubt that, but Gorton passed up an option to lock up Hayes long-term at around 5-6m by all reports -- resigning him now will come at a totally different price-tag.
And:
"A lot can happen"- Gorts
4. This is more my interpretation, but I definitely not sure that the above message from Gorton means that they will go all in for the big UFAs and look to get up to two of them. I think its just as likely that he will pull off trade for an expensive big name.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/rangers-arent-shying-away-from-buyouts-this-summer/
Some quotes from Gorton and their perspective:
“In all honesty, we haven’t ruled it out,” general manager Jeff Gorton told The Post on Tuesday when asked if the club intends to go that route. “It’s on the table. And regardless of what we do with this buyout window, we’d certainly look at the second one, too, depending on what comes up over the next few weeks. A lot can happen.”
1. Gorton is basically saying that the 10m or so they will have of cap-space (“The number is about right" according to Gorton) after the RFA's might not be enough for his plans the coming weeks, meaning that they will consider buy-outs during the second window. Seems pretty scary to me.
Gorton follows the above quote up with saying:
"We’re not looking at it as if we can make only one big move or addition. We’ll see where it goes.”"
Then:
."..but I wouldn’t get fixated on that [only 10m of cap space],” the GM said. “I think we have a number of guys who are pretty valuable around the league, so we’re going to have a lot of flexibility over the summer."
2. Lol, we all know that we have one guy who are pretty valuable around the league and who is taking up cap-space (which must be what Gorton is referring to, moving an ELC hardly gives us more flex) and that is of course Chris Kreider, no surprise there. But Gorton is obviously de facto considering adding flexibility, or how it should be put, by moving other guys on our roster taking up cap-space and that are "pretty valuable around the league".
Who can that be? Skjei? Ziba? Strome or Names (are they really valuable around the league)???
3. Then some less explosive stuff, but still newsworthy:
Brooks: "If Kevin Hayes does not sign with the Flyers, who acquired his rights from Winnipeg for a fifth-rounder, before hitting the open market, the Rangers most certainly will check in on the potential prodigal."
Larry probably pitches these things to Gorton when he talks to him, and get a teller if he is out on thin ice or not. But I wouldn't read much into it, Gorton isn't one who closes doors. He will probably check in with Hayes, I don't doubt that, but Gorton passed up an option to lock up Hayes long-term at around 5-6m by all reports -- resigning him now will come at a totally different price-tag.
And:
"A lot can happen"- Gorts
4. This is more my interpretation, but I definitely not sure that the above message from Gorton means that they will go all in for the big UFAs and look to get up to two of them. I think its just as likely that he will pull off trade for an expensive big name.
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egelband
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Thank you. Good stuff. I do think JG is a bit of a shit disturber, to be honest. Not a bad thing. He just likes to stir the pot. It's only good for the rangers if word on the street is they're after player A or player B. Prices go up for other teams. He's using the Rangers status to create an army of Boogeymen.
The Rangers haven't even had significant contract talks with Kreider. JD was hired on May 17. His press conference was on May 22. That was 2-3 weeks ago. Gorton still hasn't contacted Matt Keator to find out how much Keator wants for Kreider. Is anyone buying this story? Gorton doesn't know how much Kreider wants? Gorton knows the market for all of his players. He knows what the contract will be and how much trade value the player has. Maybe the Rangers have no intention to pay Kreider. Anders Lee is looking for 7-8 years at $7M. The Islanders have no issue with the money. They want a shorter term. Skinner got $9M per. Kreider is worth at least $7M with Skinner getting $9M.
The Rangers shouldn't buyout anyone. They signed Smith and Shattenkirk less than two years ago. Let those contracts be a lesson to the Rangers. Group III free agency stinks so they should think twice before getting involved again anytime some.
The Rangers shouldn't buyout anyone. They signed Smith and Shattenkirk less than two years ago. Let those contracts be a lesson to the Rangers. Group III free agency stinks so they should think twice before getting involved again anytime some.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Gorton's quotes sounds pretty neutral to me. He's going to be exploring all options. Doesn't sounds like they will or won't buy anyone out definitively. It's a GM's job to keep all options open and explore all scenarios.
The one thing that is true though, if they go with a D Corp that is going to give learning minutes to Hajek, Fox, bigger minutes to ADA, and Pionk continues to play, then one of Shattenkirk or Smith needs to be moved because there is just no room.
The one thing that is true though, if they go with a D Corp that is going to give learning minutes to Hajek, Fox, bigger minutes to ADA, and Pionk continues to play, then one of Shattenkirk or Smith needs to be moved because there is just no room.
pld459666
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pld459666
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Kreider and TDA for Gostisberre and 11th overall?
Would not like that trade for the Rangers.
The shine for Ghost has faded quite a bit for me.
Kid is not that good in his own end and that 65pt season is the outlier for what is a 35+ point per season guy.
For a team as piss poor as the Rangers were last year, DeAngelo put up 7 less points in 17 less games and he was a plus player.
I think I'd prefer kreider and ADA over No. 11 and Ghost.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
So, according to Uncle Larry, Shattenkirk and Smith are buyout candidates but Staal isn't mentioned? I don't see the Rangers buying out Shattenkirk. Matter of fact, the Rangers should just sit tight and not buyout anyone and the aforementioned terrible trio should only be moved if we can find a taker at 50% retained.
Buyouts are the gift that keeps on giving long after the player has left. No thank you unless there's no other option.
Buyouts are the gift that keeps on giving long after the player has left. No thank you unless there's no other option.
Amazing Kreiderman
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According to Larry, Kakko's best position might be center as well. That's the same as saying Morgan Barron might be a 50 goal scorer in the NHL. Let's not take what he is saying serious please.
SA16
Sixstring
Zuccarello isn’t an option. According to Webster he hates Gorton for how he was treated last year.
pld459666
Registered User
Disagree.
Getting Panarin and slotting him next to The KK boys with Chytil moving up and Names going to the 3rd line makes that forward group a whole hell of a lot better not to mention both PP units become more dangerous
Beer League Sniper
Homeless Man's Rick Nash
Sounds like Gorton is treating the situation the same way he's treated every other situation in which he's planning on trading a pending UFA: don't engage in serious contract discussions.
I think Kreider still has a lot of gas left in the tank, but the risk in his next contract will be all on the team signing him. If he wants to stay here and be part of the long-term build towards contender status, he needs to take a discount, both in years and AAV. I don't blame him one bit if he won't, though. This is likely to be his last contract.
Regarding Shattenkirk, I don't see how he's really a cautionary tale regarding UFAs. The man left term and AAV on the table to sign with NYR. I actually don't think Gorton was planning on making any kind of pitch to Shattenkirk. I mean, didn't he leave a $7Mx6Y offer on the table to sign with us? It's a contract that looks bad with the benefit of hindsight (yes, I know some posters "called it" from day one, but people complain about every contract we sign past the ELC).
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