Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[True Blue]

Only if they offer DeAngelo a long term contract. Which I am fairly sure they won't. He can get his security next year when Smith/Staal/Lundqvist come off the books. Could end up as team elected arbitration.

I think that they can offer him one at $6m.

 

[True Blue]

I hate to disappoint everyone but Strome will get a one year contract at somewhere between $4.5-5MM. The only exception would be if he accepted a two year contract at the same money. I can’t see him doing that because of the opportunities that expansion may offer.

I expect the Rangers will tell DeAngelo take a one year contract at a similar dollar amount and they will imply that we’ll make it up to you next year.

That may leave room for Fast at $2.5MM.

Why would they not try to sign Strome for $5 x 2-4 years? Or DeAngelo at $6m?

 

[True Blue]

I think pretty much everyone who is arguing to keep Strome isn't making that same assumption that you are

I am arguing to keep Strome and the odd man out for me is unfortunately Buchnevich.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I didn't intend to be misleading about ADA. I was framing the roster decisions for the rangers. Deangelo will be lining up on our 3rd pair. With cap issues looming, I don't think I sacrifice a 2nd pairing center to retain someone to play 3rd pair minutes for 2nd pair money. It's a painful decision but a reality of the cap world.

Furthermore, we have several promising candidates to take over the 3rd pair but no one has emerged for the 2nd line center, a spot with more responsibility and demands.

Deangelo is great and I think on a trajectory to improve and be valuable. Strome meshes with Panarin, which is being undervalued. But I haven't been touting him as better than Tony or anything. That's on all of you guys reading into it too much. The context of my response was to someone that feels strongly it's an either/or decision. Personally, I think there is a way to navigate this in a way to retain all of Strome, ADA and Buch. I would like to see what happens at the draft and off season. Viable replacements for Strome may emerge.

I'm looking to build the best roster, not accumulate the best pieces regardless of team needs. That means strength down the middle, a formidable top 2 lines, a top 4 to lean on. Again, it's not a knock on Tony or an overvaluation of Strome. It's a choice based on the organization right now.

again you can frame it as “he lines up on the third pair” but the reality is he had the 3rd highest even strength time on ice among our D this season excluding Skjei, and he’s the guy on the top PP unit, so his usage isn’t “third pair” at all. Just because that may be where he’s slotted on paper doesn’t mean his impact is that of a “third pairing defenseman”. He still impacts a game far more than Strome does.

Also you can downplay Chytil if you want but he could absolutely overtake Strome in the next season or so.

keeping Strome in favor of Tony would be a 97-04 type roster move

Frankly if it really comes down to it, it’s ADA over Trouba. I love Trouba but that isn’t really a hard choice. You just don’t trade a player like Deangelo once he’s figured it out.

 

[True Blue]

I would absolutely never choose re-signing Strome over DeAngelo. If we were trading DeAngelo, would you be happy with Ryan Strome as the return? I’d hope not.

To me there are 2 chairs in the game and 3 players moving around to the music; Strome, DeAngelo & Buchnevich. Right now, I would have Buch, as sucky as that might be, as the odd man out. Having Strome - Panarin & Kreider - ZBad is a weapon. Having DeAngelo tilt the ice and run the PP is also a weapon. Buch offers multiple things, but those are the reasons that, at least to me, he is the odd man out.

 

[Leetch3]

 

[UnSandvich]

I am arguing to keep Strome and the odd man out for me is unfortunately Buchnevich.

If the odd man out is Buch, why are you arguing to keep Strome? Because of a single season of Strome?

 

[GAGLine]

Why would they not try to sign Strome for $5 x 2-4 years? Or DeAngelo at $6m?

We can't afford them both at those numbers unless we buy someone out, and why would we want Strome for more than 2 years? Sure, if he's still playing well in a year or two, we can trade him, but why take the risk if we don't have to?

If we can sign Strome to a 1 year deal for less, that can work out for both him and the team. Every player knows the financial situation of the league right now. There isn't a lot of money to go around. Strome could do a lot worse than getting to play another year with Panarin and then becoming a UFA. If nothing else, he will make more on his next contract with the Rangers, as we'll have a lot of money coming off the books.

The same goes for DeAngelo, though there is the added caveat of our strength on the right side. If one of Trouba (not likely), Fox or ADA don't move to the left side, then it's highly likely that ADA will get traded within the next 2 years.

 

[Avery16]

Panarin had an awesome year, but there are other good players in the league besides him

Are there 1.5 Panarin's per team?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The only reason to trade DeAngelo is as part of a package for a player you just can't say no to.

There are like maybe 10 of those guys in this league.

 

[East Coast Bias]

The only reason to trade DeAngelo is as part of a package for a player you just can't say no to.

There are like maybe 10 of those guys in this league.

Ryan Strome could play with all 10 of those guys too!

 

[LaffyTaffy]

While I do think anyone can succeed with Panarin. I actually do not believe Chytil is a good match to play with him. I think eventually when Chytil becomes the 2C, I would play Panarin with Zib and Buch and move Kreider down to play with Chytil and Kakko. As Kakko and Chytil come into their own they will be a force of their own. If we keep Strome I would really like for him to center someone like Kravtsov and Gauthier.

Panarin Zib Buch
Kreider Chytil Kakko
Kravtsov Strome Gauthier
Lemieux Howden Fast

That would be my ideal lineup.

 

[CTRanger]

For me signing Strome for 2 yrs without a NTC is ideal. Still gets him to UFA at a young age. We can reevaluate after next year. Gives us the most options. We can expose him to Seattle, we can keep him and try to negotiate an extension, we can trade him or we can just let him walk after yr 2.
2yrs @ 4.5 per in this economic state may be realistic.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I've got no problem with giving Strome a 1 year deal and allowing him to walk as a UFA if the team is competitive next season.

If they take a step back for whatever reason next year, he's a good trade chip. There really is no reason to lock him up long term right now.

 

[NYR Viper]

Are there 1.5 Panarin's per team?

Are you trying to create a strawman?

 

[duhmetreE]

While I do think anyone can succeed with Panarin. I actually do not believe Chytil is a good match to play with him. I think eventually when Chytil becomes the 2C, I would play Panarin with Zib and Buch and move Kreider down to play with Chytil and Kakko. As Kakko and Chytil come into their own they will be a force of their own. If we keep Strome I would really like for him to center someone like Kravtsov and Gauthier.

Panarin Zib Buch
Kreider Chytil Kakko
Kravtsov Strome Gauthier
Lemieux Howden Fast

That would be my ideal lineup.

Thats how I've seen it for a while. Chytil was his best with Kreider and Buch. He needs to carry the puck.

His biggest weakness is his play without the puck in the offensive zone IMO. He will not have the puck playing with Panarin. Not a good match at this point.


Panarin Zibs Kakko
Kreider Chytil Buch

would be my only change.

Strome is a solid middle 6 Center. He adds a lot of flexibility to the lineup. If he wants Stepan money/type deal, he will be moved, eventually. He's produced on the 3rd line with no one. He's produced on the second line with Panarin.

 

[Avery16]

Are you trying to create a strawman?

I'm pointing out the circular reasoning of your argument that Strome isnt inconsistent and has value separate from Panarin because he was in the top 50-60 points getters this season (but not in seasons past) and while playing with Panarin.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Really hope they will still give out the Steven McDonald.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm pointing out the circular reasoning of your argument that Strome isnt inconsistent and has value separate from Panarin because he was in the top 50-60 points getters this season (but not in seasons past) and while playing with Panarin.

And why wouldn't he perform somewhat similarly with other naturally gifted skilled players around the league? Is Panarin the only very good offensive player in the world?

Also I never said his value is that of a top 50 player in the NHL, just that he doesn't have crap value that many on here state definitively.

 

[Thirty One]

https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/filip...medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

Of course, one could also suggest Strome was far more the beneficiary than a meaningful facilitator of Panarin’s Hart-finalist season and that the team should attempt to move the 27-year-old center rather than investing what would likely be at least $5.5 million per in him.

I would be shocked if the Rangers go long term on Strome when they know they are going to have to come up with at least $10 million per to lock up Zibanejad before No. 93 can hit the open market following 2021-22.

If they give multiple years to Strome, they are consigning the still-only-20-year-old Chytil to third-line status for well beyond the immediate future. That is not a decision the front office is likely to embrace 144 regular-season games into the Czech’s career.

Does Larry know that multiple can mean as little as 2?

 

[Leetch3]

The only reason to trade DeAngelo is as part of a package for a player you just can't say no to.

There are like maybe 10 of those guys in this league.

1000% if you can take advantage of the positional depth to turn him into an equal player at a position of needed that is the only way a deal makes sense...and its not a trade to clear cap space cause the guy coming back (and it should be a single guy) will make as much or more

 

[Leetch3]

For me signing Strome for 2 yrs without a NTC is ideal. Still gets him to UFA at a young age. We can reevaluate after next year. Gives us the most options. We can expose him to Seattle, we can keep him and try to negotiate an extension, we can trade him or we can just let him walk after yr 2.
2yrs @ 4.5 per in this economic state may be realistic.

he's too valuable to lose in the expansion draft...if he signs for more than 1 year he will either be protected or traded if we can't protect him.

 

[Leetch3]

Really hope they will still give out the Steven McDonald.

i'm pretty sure there were emails for fans to vote on it. not sure when it will be announced.

 

[Avery16]

And why wouldn't he perform somewhat similarly with other naturally gifted skilled players around the league? Is Panarin the only very good offensive player in the world?

Also I never said his value is that of a top 50 player in the NHL, just that he doesn't have crap value that many on here state definitively.

Hasn't he only been on teams with a Panarin, a Zibanejad, a Tavares, a McDavid, a Draisaitl and/or a RNH? He has mostly been a sub-.5 pts/GP player, even on teams with elite scoring support. He has been .5 pts/GP player or better in only two seasons- this one, and in 2014-15.

This is not the type of player you reward an outlier season with a multi-year, market-rate contract.

 

[Avery16]

https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/filip-chytil-tony-deangelo-have-to-prove-worth-to-rangers/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons



Does Larry know that multiple can mean as little as 2?

Honest question.