Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[Tawnos]

as the guy who spearheaded 90% of the Girardi sucks arguments 5 years ago and is now reading Strome and Trouba arguments that quite literally don’t ever add anything new but remain constant

wow, so that’s what it feels like? i deserve this, in that case

As someone who was outspokenly on the other side of those arguments, yes... yes you do

 

[ncmike]

You d

saying its better then anything chytil has done is a little ridiculous though....hes 20, strome is 27...

You dont pay on what can be . You pay on is and has been done.

 

[Avery16]

To me, keeping Strome means we lose at least one of Buch/Tony. And that’s not a tradeoff I would ever take

My primary fear in any deal with Strome is this. Secondarily, I would be concerned about consistency on anything longer than two seasons.

Edit:
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/filip-chytil-tony-deangelo-have-to-prove-worth-to-rangers/

 

[ncmike]

Great.

Now show me how much time each guy got per game (both at ES and on the PP) and who their most common line mates were.

Anyone who watched the team this year will tell you that Chytil played better than his production suggests.

I understand you hate Strome. But he clicks with Panarin. Why would you want to disrupt that? He will come cheaper than a UFA 2nd center.
For what it’s worth, the Mets in the early 80’s had a shortstop named Ron Gardenhire ( currently the tigers mgr). Guy couldn’t hit a lick. Always prayed when he came up in the 8th position that he could just get on to clear the pitchers spot. The point is that the Mets had a .667 winning % when he started. So I ask you and the analytical people (who would want to get rid of Gardenhire, i mean Strome ), why would you mess with something that is working?

 

[ncmike]

You d

You dont pay on what can be . You pay on is and has been done.

So we should give Charles 5 million that we might give Strome?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

My primary fear in any deal with Strome is this. Secondarily, I would be concerned about consistency on anything longer than two seasons.

Edit:
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/filip-chytil-tony-deangelo-have-to-prove-worth-to-rangers/

He jokes, but I would take Shattenkirk back next year as a stop-gap if we don't re-sign DeAngelo. Maybe he'll give us another hometown discount . Hell, we're paying him 6M+ anyway.

 

[bobbop]

To me, keeping Strome means we lose at least one of Buch/Tony. And that’s not a tradeoff I would ever take

Only if they offer DeAngelo a long term contract. Which I am fairly sure they won't. He can get his security next year when Smith/Staal/Lundqvist come off the books. Could end up as team elected arbitration.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Joel Armia would be the perfect addition to this team.

 

[Alluckks]

To me, keeping Strome means we lose at least one of Buch/Tony. And that’s not a tradeoff I would ever take

I think pretty much everyone who is arguing to keep Strome isn't making that same assumption that you are

 

[UnSandvich]

I think pretty much everyone who is arguing to keep Strome isn't making that same assumption that you are

that’s fine, just offering my opinion as to why I think it’s a bad idea. I’d much rather try to get say Buffalo’s 2nd for him, hopefully with a + on their side

 

[aufheben]

I hate to disappoint everyone but Strome will get a one year contract at somewhere between $4.5-5MM. The only exception would be if he accepted a two year contract at the same money. I can’t see him doing that because of the opportunities that expansion may offer.

I expect the Rangers will tell DeAngelo take a one year contract at a similar dollar amount and they will imply that we’ll make it up to you next year.

That may leave room for Fast at $2.5MM.

Ive been saying all along that a one-year deal makes the most sense for Strome. And the Rangers too.

 

[aufheben]

I understand you hate Strome. But he clicks with Panarin. Why would you want to disrupt that? He will come cheaper than a UFA 2nd center.
For what it’s worth, the Mets in the early 80’s had a shortstop named Ron Gardenhire ( currently the tigers mgr). Guy couldn’t hit a lick. Always prayed when he came up in the 8th position that he could just get on to clear the pitchers spot. The point is that the Mets had a .667 winning % when he started. So I ask you and the analytical people (who would want to get rid of Gardenhire, i mean Strome ), why would you mess with something that is working?

This has been outlined many times:

- Strome could be paid more than he his worth, and we have better player to pay.
- Finding someone that clicks with Panarin should not be a focus of the rebuild; He’s one of the best players in the world.

It’s not a SURE thing but the arguments for trading Strome are straightforward and logical.

 

[Avery16]

that’s fine, just offering my opinion as to why I think it’s a bad idea. I’d much rather try to get say Buffalo’s 2nd for him, hopefully with a + on their side

What if we added to Strome and got Tage Thompson?

Kreider/Zib/Buch
Panarin/Chytil/Kakko
Lemieux/Howden/Gauthier
Kravstov/Baron/Thompson

 

[Chytilmania]

Every team is going through the same cap circumstances. Strome may not get much more than whatever the Rangers offer, I don't see why we can't sign him to a friendly deal. Him and Tony are buds maybe they both take team friendly deals given the covid situation and success this year.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I think that a part of the dogma for the anti-Strome crowd is that their axiom starts and ends with if you subtract Strome and insert most any other third line center in the league (or even a Chytil) than the results (both for Panarin and player X) will largely be the same as if it player X was Strome. Which to me is quite a bit of wish casting and becoming dependent on a situation that may produce 1) worse results or 2) much worse results if it is just not working and Player X is sinking and now you need to separate Kreider and ZBad.

The problem with the anti-strome crowd is they have been anti-strome since day 1. He is found money. One of the only times we took advantage of the chiarelli cheat code.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What if we added to Strome and got Tage Thompson?

Kreider/Zib/Buch
Panarin/Chytil/Kakko
Lemieux/Howden/Gauthier
Kravstov/Baron/Thompson

He sucks.

I'd rather just give Gettinger a shot.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Every team is going through the same cap circumstances. Strome may not get much more than whatever the Rangers offer, I don't see why we can't sign him to a friendly deal. Him and Tony are buds maybe they both take team friendly deals given the covid situation and success this year.

I don’t think TDA is ever going to take a team friendly deal if he has a say in it

 

[DutchShamrock]

To me, keeping Strome means we lose at least one of Buch/Tony. And that’s not a tradeoff I would ever take

Would you trade a #2 center to acquire a #3 RD that makes nearly identical money? I like Tony and feel somewhat positive about Strome. But there are right ways to build a team and wrong ways. I don't know that I like forcing unproven 20 year olds into high pressure situations, especially center. And not to just have the opportunity of paying my 3rd pair defenseman $5m+. And are we even convinced Chytil is a center?

 

[UnSandvich]

Would you trade a #2 center to acquire a #3 RD that makes nearly identical money? I like Tony and feel somewhat positive about Strome. But there are right ways to build a team and wrong ways. I don't know that I like forcing unproven 20 year olds into high pressure situations, especially center. And not to just have the opportunity of paying my 3rd pair defenseman $5m+. And are we even convinced Chytil is a center?

I would trade Strome to keep DeAngelo. The right way to build a team isn't to pay a guy who just put up 22 points higher than his previous career average (37 points per 82 games) after being stapled to a superstar & Hart candidate. It's to pay your best players, and have ELCs where you can. DeAngelo is one of our best players. Strome very much isn't. Unless of course you're talking about his affinity for taking tons of penalties. He's great at that

 

[B17 Apricots]

I think if Strome gets moved you go out and target a Cody Eakin or Soderberg, etc. Guys that can be signed for cheap who have shown the ability to play up or down in the line up. And the case for Eakin he's played with some talent before and if you lose Fast he's a guy that if he gels with Panarin can bring that same two way stabilizing presence.

 

[LokiDog]

Strome did well with Panarin and it’s fair to say that “anyone can do it” isn’t true. Chemistry does matter. It is true, however, that Panarin can at least be a 90 point player and carry a line with “virtually” anybody. I’m fine with Strome, but the problem with him as that, despite the results on the stat sheet, he just doesn’t pass the eye test. He does mesh well with Panarin, and that is worth something, but as a top six center he leaves a lot to be desired, especially when considering some of his boneheaded plays and tons of bad penalties. It’s true that we don’t have an immediate replacement and that assuming Chytil can become a 2C or forcing him into a role he isn’t ready for wouldn’t be wise, but I would absolutely never choose re-signing Strome over DeAngelo. If we were trading DeAngelo, would you be happy with Ryan Strome as the return? I’d hope not.

 

[Kords]

I think if Strome gets moved you go out and target a Cody Eakin or Soderberg, etc. Guys that can be signed for cheap who have shown the ability to play up or down in the line up. And the case for Eakin he's played with some talent before and if you lose Fast he's a guy that if he gels with Panarin can bring that same two way stabilizing presence.

Hell no on Cody Eakin. Dude literally shouldered Hank in the head going full speed intentionally.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Would you trade a #2 center to acquire a #3 RD that makes nearly identical money? I like Tony and feel somewhat positive about Strome. But there are right ways to build a team and wrong ways. I don't know that I like forcing unproven 20 year olds into high pressure situations, especially center. And not to just have the opportunity of paying my 3rd pair defenseman $5m+. And are we even convinced Chytil is a center?

Deangelo is much more valuable than Strome. Framing him as a “third pair defenseman” is misleading. He’s easily a top-3 defenseman on this team and one of the most offensively gifted defenseman in the league. He’s way, way more unique of an asset than Strome. The right way to build a team is not trading a dynamic young defenseman in favor of a guy who just had a career year after playing with a superstar.

and yes Chytil is a center, the teams said it, he’s said it, and he’s always played his best hockey there

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Would you trade a #2 center to acquire a #3 RD that makes nearly identical money? I like Tony and feel somewhat positive about Strome. But there are right ways to build a team and wrong ways. I don't know that I like forcing unproven 20 year olds into high pressure situations, especially center. And not to just have the opportunity of paying my 3rd pair defenseman $5m+. And are we even convinced Chytil is a center?

If he plays PP 1 and maintains this performance I could care less if he is on the “3rd pair” as long as the even strength minutes are relatively evenly distributed.

IMO pissing away the offensive defenseman we’ve waited years and years for would be a much worse way to build a team.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Losing ADA would hurt Panarin more than losing Strome.