That is one of my points. To enter a season where you are going to be looking to compete by hoping that Chytil could replicate's Strome's success just does not sound like a winning strategy. One could certainly hope that eventually Chytil gets there but as of now, he has not shown that he can be that player. And if that does not work out, then what? Being forced to play ZBad with Panarin? That will hurt lineup depth.
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OK, better than anything that Chytil will do for a while. Does that make it better? For a bit of perspective on how long players can take to develop, see Zibanejad, Mika.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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I you prefer an apples to apples look at what Strome did as a 20 year old and what Chytil has done.
2019-20 Chytil: 14+9= 23 in 60 games played
2013-14 Strome: 7+11 = 18 in 37 games played
Great.
Now show me how much time each guy got per game (both at ES and on the PP) and who their most common line mates were.
Anyone who watched the team this year will tell you that Chytil played better than his production suggests.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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I don't know who Strome played with on the 2013-2014 Islanders who had 79 points and 34 wins. The leading scorer was Kyle Okposo who had 69 points. John Tavares has 66 points in 66 games. Then you have the likes of Nielsen, Vanek, Bailey, Nelson and Grabner (points ranging from 58-26). So if you want to suggest, that Strome was a product of great linemates...well...ok.
Again, I'm not looking tp kill Chytil.. I'm just ready to minimize Strome.
Thirty One
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Really upset we didn't come to a consensus on Strome or Trouba with all this time off.
NYR94
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2013-2014 Strome - 12:54 ES TOI/G, 2:15 PP TOI/G
2019-2020 Chytil - 14:50 ES TOI/G, 1:17 PP TOI/G
Strome's most common even strength linemates from 2013-14:
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2019-2020 Chytil - 14:50 ES TOI/G, 1:17 PP TOI/G
Strome's most common even strength linemates from 2013-14:
| 27.62% | EV | MARTIN,MATT - MCDONALD,COLIN - STROME,RYAN |
| 11.13% | EV | LEE,ANDERS - MCDONALD,COLIN - STROME,RYAN |
| 10.90% | EV | CLUTTERBUCK,CAL - NELSON,BROCK - STROME,RYAN |
| 8.78% | EV | CLUTTERBUCK,CAL - GRABNER,MICHAEL - STROME,RYAN |
| 6.72% | EV | MCDONALD,COLIN - NELSON,BROCK - STROME,RYAN |
| 14.83% | PP | BAILEY,JOSH - CLUTTERBUCK,CAL - STROME,RYAN |
| 13.31% | PP | BAILEY,JOSH - LEE,ANDERS - NIELSEN,FRANS - STROME,RYAN |
| 8.75% | PP | LEE,ANDERS - NELSON,BROCK - NIELSEN,FRANS - STROME,RYAN |
| 8.75% | PP | LEE,ANDERS - NIELSEN,FRANS - OKPOSO,KYLE - STROME,RYAN |
| 7.98% | PP | BAILEY,JOSH - NELSON,BROCK - NIELSEN,FRANS - STROME,RYAN |
Thirty One
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Amazing that he got 2:15 per game on the PP and those were his powerplay linemates. Were the Islanders just constantly on the powerplay in 13-14?
Thirty One
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You don't know what he will or won't do.
He wasn't, at least at even strength. At ES his most common linemates were Matt Martin and Colin Mac Donald.
8 of his 18 points came on the PP though where he played with their heavier hitters. He also averaged 20 seconds more per a game than Chytil did which on the surface doesn't mean much but over time, it adds up.
Chytil had 20 points at ES this season. He was on and off PP2 which wasn't very good all together and got little ice time as the year went on because PP1 was so good. Had he gotten a larger dose of PP1 time, he would have picked up a few points extra points by accident. I don't want to crap all over Strome here because he made more than a few plays during the PP which resulted in goals, but he was clearly the 5th most important player out of that 5 player grouping (and really, his spot should be be occupied by a lefty.)
As it is with everything, context matters.
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Crease
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If HFNYR was a bar we all would have excused ourselves from the conversation a long time ago.
Following your analogy, this post is like you making a show of moving to another table, periodically sighing loudly and shaking your head, then wandering back to offer a 'crucial observation'.
Oscar Lindberg
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I actually think we’re just hitting our stride regarding the conversation around Strome
Raspewtin
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as the guy who spearheaded 90% of the Girardi sucks arguments 5 years ago and is now reading Strome and Trouba arguments that quite literally don’t ever add anything new but remain constant
wow, so that’s what it feels like? i deserve this, in that case
wow, so that’s what it feels like? i deserve this, in that case
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NYR Viper
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I really think there is a happy medium to running Strome out of town and offering him the moon to stay.
The cap will be flat moving forward. Strome knows what it feels like to be in a situation that doesn't fit him. He was on his way to a not-so-stellar career during his time in Edmonton. Quinn and the Rangers believed in him and gave him the opportunity to succeed playing with one of the best players on the planet.
Offer him a 3-4 year deal @ $4.5-5m per season.
He's versatile in his ability to play center or wing. He has KNOWN chemistry with the teams best player. He's a RH center which is invaluable and he's 27 years old.
The cap will be flat moving forward. Strome knows what it feels like to be in a situation that doesn't fit him. He was on his way to a not-so-stellar career during his time in Edmonton. Quinn and the Rangers believed in him and gave him the opportunity to succeed playing with one of the best players on the planet.
Offer him a 3-4 year deal @ $4.5-5m per season.
He's versatile in his ability to play center or wing. He has KNOWN chemistry with the teams best player. He's a RH center which is invaluable and he's 27 years old.
During the decade of 2020, it is hard to decipher where/when that is
Amazing Kreiderman
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I hate to disappoint everyone but Strome will get a one year contract at somewhere between $4.5-5MM. The only exception would be if he accepted a two year contract at the same money. I can’t see him doing that because of the opportunities that expansion may offer.
I expect the Rangers will tell DeAngelo take a one year contract at a similar dollar amount and they will imply that we’ll make it up to you next year.
That may leave room for Fast at $2.5MM.
I expect the Rangers will tell DeAngelo take a one year contract at a similar dollar amount and they will imply that we’ll make it up to you next year.
That may leave room for Fast at $2.5MM.
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I know he is going to take some terrible OZone penalties that are going to hurt the Rangers.
Hard for us to lose with a one-year deal at 5 million or under. Especially if he stays on a line with Panarin. Does it cost us someone else? Maybe, but we should still have an opportunity or two to adjust elsewhere and hopefully not lose ADA or Buch.
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To me, keeping Strome means we lose at least one of Buch/Tony. And that’s not a tradeoff I would ever take
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