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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

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The flat cap and the circumstances around it suck big time, but it’s probably a blessing in disguise

Now Gorton can’t hand out big deals like candy. And it probably means Strome is not around long term (thank god)
 
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romba said:
The mentality these guys have is going to war. When you're at war and your comrade in arms get wrecked, clean or not, you retaliate because it's second nature (unless AV is your coach). If you don't get upset, your heart doesn't beat.
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NYR Viper said:
I get this, but what I don't understand is the desire to then do it within the rules at times. If someone delivers a large, clean hit, why can't the other team then deliver a large, clean hit? Fighting has it's place IMO, but so does hitting.
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Emotions sometimes get in the way--or let me put this a different way. Your intention is to go out there and hit the guy back--let him know your there. The other player knows this is going to happen and is most likely waiting for it. For years now players see someone coming and they turn their back to the play--sometimes the player get hit from behind 9 times out of 10 it looks worst then it is. Fighting is sometimes the reaction or secondary reaction to the actual play--most times it comes from someone jumping in. As someone who was known as a "feisty" player during my day in these situations I would come in from the side and hit the other player to avoid hitting him in the back--this is also much easier if your playing wing then defense.

Anyway a good clean hip check is one of the best plays in the game--it leads to pumping your team up along with the crowd. I agree with romba post that as a player you should always stick up for your teammates and Viper your also right a clean hit deserves a clean hit back it doesn't have to be dirty. I bet most people would want to see a game where there's tons of hitting and less goal scoring ( like in the playoffs ) then the other way around--it's just more exciting.
 
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Fast probably depends on the years. I don't think the team will want to go too long given that Kakko and hopefully Gauthier will push him into a 4th line spot within the next 18 months. If he's under $3m per then that's probably doable as a 4th line for a couple seasons but much more than that is pushing it. However if he takes 2 or 3 years that's probably something Gorton will be content with. RW is tough to project given that every guy we have there aside from Fast is a WIP that could potentially break out into a top-six forward. Or in Buch's case he already is one.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Strome isn't going anywhere, Panarin likes playing with him, the organization likes him, the players like him, he helped us create a second scoring line and he fits our age group. The hate is mind numbing.
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none of those factors have anything to do with math and the cop...no one should be against keeping strome at the right cap hit. but reality is that if he puts up another 70+ point season he will get more as a ufa than we can afford to pay him. you'd have to lock him up this offseason for multiple years but we have zero space so the math is tough
 
Trxjw said:
Fast probably depends on the years. I don't think the team will want to go too long given that Kakko and hopefully Gauthier will push him into a 4th line spot within the next 18 months. If he's under $3m per then that's probably doable as a 4th line for a couple seasons but much more than that is pushing it. However if he takes 2 or 3 years that's probably something Gorton will be content with. RW is tough to project given that every guy we have there aside from Fast is a WIP that could potentially break out into a top-six forward. Or in Buch's case he already is one.
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We have 14.4 mill next year to sign Strome, DeAngelo, Lemieux, Fast and Georgiev. 3 mill isnt happening. Strome and DeAngelo are gonna take somewhere around 10 mill +/-. Leaves 3.5-5 mill for the rest.
 
I also think Fast's future hinges on what players shake loose at the draft as teams prepare for the flat cap. If a team like Tampa can't get their cap in order would Gorton try to put the squeeze on for Sergachev? In that case, giving him a new deal means Fast is likely gone so that money can be used to give Sergachev an extension. Of course there would likely be further cap implications as well but just throwing it out there.

I don't think the Rangers are going to sit on their hands this summer, looking at their LHD pipeline, and simply say, "We'll wait and see how these kids turn out."
 
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KreiderBomb said:
We have 14.4 mill next year to sign Strome, DeAngelo, Lemieux, Fast and Georgiev. 3 mill isnt happening. Strome and DeAngelo are gonna take somewhere around 10 mill +/-. Leaves 3.5-5 mill for the rest.
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well I think you can 'remove' georgiev from that in a way cause there is no way we go into next year with 3 goalies...so either he is gone or hank is gone and georgiev's contract would just replace part of the cap hit cleared. but there should be priorities. you first need to lock up deangelo, then look at strome, then fast and hope as you go down the list there is space left.
 
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The guy I really think we need to prioritize is Buch. Per Dom Lucyzyn in the Athletic today:

"They (Kreider and Zibanejad) need to find their way in creating a stronger chance differential and having Buchnevich on the right side really helps with that. He seems to be the key as the duo of Zibanejad and Kreider have a sparkling 55 percent expected goals rate in 283 minutes with him, but that drops all the way down to 38 percent in 164 minutes without him. The entire difference comes from their defensive play with and without him."
 
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The ironic thing about Buchnevich is he's finally coming into his own and being that top line winger we all thought he could be

And then the Rangers are going to have to trade him in 12 months and watch him be good elsewhere because of their other choices
 
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UnSandvich said:
The guy I really think we need to prioritize is Buch. Per Dom Lucyzyn in the Athletic today:

"They (Kreider and Zibanejad) need to find their way in creating a stronger chance differential and having Buchnevich on the right side really helps with that. He seems to be the key as the duo of Zibanejad and Kreider have a sparkling 55 percent expected goals rate in 283 minutes with him, but that drops all the way down to 38 percent in 164 minutes without him. The entire difference comes from their defensive play with and without him."
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Of Strome, Fast and Buch, I prioritize Buch. But I still wouldn’t overpay for him.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
The ironic thing about Buchnevich is he's finally coming into his own and being that top line winger we all thought he could be

And then the Rangers are going to have to trade him in 12 months and watch him be good elsewhere because of their other choices
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he needs to be resigned after 25 mil comes off the cap
 
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For me the potential "uh oh" moment is the summer of 2022. Zibanejad, Kakko, and Fox will all need new deals. Those are 3 guys who could very possibly be top-20 at their position by then. Of course there are a lot of "ifs" there and nothing is certain but you can be sure the Rangers are keeping an eye on that off season. It's not that far away and with a flat cap still in effect they have to be careful.
 
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Trxjw said:
For me the potential "uh oh" moment is the summer of 2022. Zibanejad, Kakko, and Fox will all need new deals. Those are 3 guys who could very possibly be top-20 at their position by then. Of course there are a lot of "ifs" there and nothing is certain but you can be sure the Rangers are keeping an eye on that off season. It's not that far away and with a flat cap still in effect they have to be careful.
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Both Kakko and Fox would still be under team control, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
The flat cap and the circumstances around it suck big time, but it’s probably a blessing in disguise

Now Gorton can’t hand out big deals like candy. And it probably means Strome is not around long term (thank god)
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No, but he will be here for next 2-4 years.
 
Leetch3 said:
none of those factors have anything to do with math and the cop...no one should be against keeping strome at the right cap hit. but reality is that if he puts up another 70+ point season he will get more as a ufa than we can afford to pay him. you'd have to lock him up this offseason for multiple years but we have zero space so the math is tough
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That is only if you are of the belief that other GMs will pay him as if he is a 70 point player. That is also if you are of a belief that after finding comfort and chemistry, Strome will simply bolt.
 
True Blue said:
Because with Panarin, Chytil is a 70 point player?
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Panarin would still be an 80-90 point guy with out Strome. I wouldn't get too hung up on this year's numbers, unless league scoring continues to go up, we've likely seen the best of Panarin production wise.

It's not about replacing a guy with an ELC just because, but not tying ourselves into another substantial contract for a player who you could get a decent return for and is very unlikely to replicate the production he just put up.
 
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