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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

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Trxjw said:
I have a hard time seeing anyone walking away from millions of dollars regardless of what the circumstances may be, but it's likely the lesser of the reasons of why he'd want to finish out his contract. If he can come to terms with the fact that he's not the starter and the team is suddenly on the upswing can he really just walk away? Or will he try to hang around for another year or two a la Joe Thornton and see if he can finally get that cup? Of course being a back up will be a hard thing for him to do but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he's too proud to accept that role.

I also think there's something to be said for the possible mentoring of Shesterkin. However, that might just be my brain looking for a feel-good story in 2020. Hank handing over the kingdom to a kid who looked up to him growing up? Talk about a nice way to go out.
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I think this is the best way forward. Henrik backing up Shesty for the next year or even more. Georgiev, I guess, wasn’t really expected to be so good. He emerged out of nowhere, basically. It’s a great problem, so to speak. To me, it makes sense to cash in the Georgiev chips, it’s found money. And Georgiev deserves a shot to be a starter somewhere as soon as possible. I think that’s a consideration too.
 
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egelband said:
I think this is the best way forward. Henrik backing up Shesty for the next year or even more. Georgiev, I guess, wasn’t really expected to be so good. He emerged out of nowhere, basically. It’s a great problem, so to speak. To me, it makes sense to cash in the Georgiev chips, it’s found money. And Georgiev deserves a shot to be a starter somewhere as soon as possible. I think that’s a consideration too.
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I love Hank, but I am squarely in the camp to find a way to '21-22 (and beyond) with both Czar and Georgie
 
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egelband said:
I think this is the best way forward. Henrik backing up Shesty for the next year or even more. Georgiev, I guess, wasn’t really expected to be so good. He emerged out of nowhere, basically. It’s a great problem, so to speak. To me, it makes sense to cash in the Georgiev chips, it’s found money. And Georgiev deserves a shot to be a starter somewhere as soon as possible. I think that’s a consideration too.
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Georgiev will never appeal to other teams as a starter when he's backing up Igor here. Emerging as even a possible contender in the three headed goalie monster featuring Hank and Igor will likely be the highest his stock ever is. If Igor is healthy, Georgiev will not start here. He would constantly be a struggle to keep under contract as a backup to someone roughly his age. Trade now when the return is highest.
 
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Avery16 said:
Georgiev will never appeal to other teams as a starter when he's backing up Igor here. Emerging as even a possible contender in the three headed goalie monster featuring Hank and Igor will likely be the highest his stock ever is. If Igor is healthy, Georgiev will not start here. He would constantly be a struggle to keep under contract as a backup to someone roughly his age. Trade now when the return is highest.
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And he has 3 RFA years left. GMs are finally figuring out how to work with the cap and how valuable those RFA years are
 
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Avery16 said:
Georgiev will never appeal to other teams as a starter when he's backing up Igor here. Emerging as even a possible contender in the three headed goalie monster featuring Hank and Igor will likely be the highest his stock ever is. If Igor is healthy, Georgiev will not start here. He would constantly be a struggle to keep under contract as a backup to someone roughly his age. Trade now when the return is highest.
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This is the big reason why I think this offseason is the time to move him. Shesty is the guy going forward, he's going to be our workhorse and undisputed starter. As much as people like to say "we have our two young studs as a pair!" that's not going to happen. Shesty is significantly better than AG and he is going to be the full time starter.

Georgie's value isn't going to go up being a back up.

As long as Hank on board being a mentor and full time back up next year (maybe another year on a 1 year deal?) I think it makes the most sense. You don't have to buy Hank out and have that dead cap (especially now with the flat cap going forward) and you have a clear starter and veteran back up scenario. Georgiev nets us some assets as we sell him at what will likely be his highest value to us considering all the previously mentioned things.

We move forward with Shesty, who has the potential to be a top goalie in the league if he isn't already, and we're good.

Stings to lose Georgiev who was basically found money, but to me he tops out as a low end starter or good platoon guy. Shesty is going to be a star and potential vezina guy.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
I’m 100% fine with moving Georgiev because the Rangers will find another guy just like him soon enough

They consistently find quality goaltenders in the scrap heap
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I think we have enough in our system to justify moving Georgiev, I'd prefer it was Hank that left but I dont see that as a possibility.
 
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Igor is the undisputed #1 at this point, moving forward. My only "concern" is that he's never played a full season of pro hockey, let alone the NHL. I believe management is also looking at this before decisions are made, considering that in 2 years time, we could lose both Hank and Georgie...
 
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I'm pretty sure I don't want to. Just that there is that allegation is a big red flag .
 
bobbop said:
That may be a premature ejaculation.

Salary cap.
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Yeah, I get it's a long-shot, but with available cap space around the league shrunken quite a bit, there's going to be some guys out there for which the market just doesn't develop. If Hoffman is one of those guys, I want the Rangers to be in.
 
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Yeah, I get it's a long-shot, but with available cap space around the league shrunken quite a bit, there's going to be some guys out there for which the market just doesn't develop. If Hoffman is one of those guys, I want the Rangers to be in.
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I expect a lot of players to take short term deals if the market is as flat as predicted.

Could also see some Russian players like Dadonov going back to the KHL if there is a team there willing to pay more than the NHL market is offering.
 
Fitzy said:
I expect a lot of players to take short term deals if the market is as flat as predicted.

Could also see some Russian players like Dadonov going back to the KHL if there is a team there willing to pay more than the NHL market is offering.
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For Dadonov I doubt a team in the KHL can afford more than what NHL teams would offer with their new salary cap.

The cap is 900 million rubles (just over US$12 million) for the whole team
 
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Trxjw said:
I have a hard time seeing anyone walking away from millions of dollars regardless of what the circumstances may be, but it's likely the lesser of the reasons of why he'd want to finish out his contract. If he can come to terms with the fact that he's not the starter and the team is suddenly on the upswing can he really just walk away? Or will he try to hang around for another year or two a la Joe Thornton and see if he can finally get that cup? Of course being a back up will be a hard thing for him to do but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he's too proud to accept that role.

I also think there's something to be said for the possible mentoring of Shesterkin. However, that might just be my brain looking for a feel-good story in 2020. Hank handing over the kingdom to a kid who looked up to him growing up? Talk about a nice way to go out.
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That's a plausible narrative too. Probably more so than my devil's advocate scenario. And it's funny you say your brain may be convincing you because my post was probably based on me wishing for an easy out on the cap issues.

The things I see motivating Henrik is a chance to win and probably his competitiveness to win his spot back. I would say that is bordering on denial of facts, but I appreciate that arrogance and fight in a pro athlete especially a goalie.

If he loses that mental edge, his career is over anyway. So I essentially see him being in denial or accepting the turnover and packing it in.
 
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Thirty One said:
You're pretty confident you've gotten to the truth on those allegations?
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I'm going to repost this to get more exposure to this "fact".

From what was reported it is very possible the was no bad person and just a huge misunderstanding. There is enough to the story to suggest the Karlsson's have as much guilt as Hoffman and his fiancee/wife.
 
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