Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII

[Off Sides]

CapFriendly just updated to begin with the '19-'20 season (though they still show the '19 draft picks, obviously).

New York Rangers - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Really amazing to see what a great job Gorts has done setting this team up for the future...

I agree, youth with promise !!!

To work it backwards leaving out later picks and lesser heralded prospects.

2019 Draft (as is)
#2
#20

2018
Kravtsov #9
Miller #22
Lundkvist #28

2017
Andersson #7
Chytil #21

2016
Howden #27
Hajek #37
Lindgren #49
Fox #66
Rykov #152

2015
Georgiev * (would have been his draft year I think)

2014
DeAngelo #19
Lemieux #31
Shesterkin #118
Pionk * (would have been his draft year I think)

2013
Buchnevich #75

Also of note, it takes some time for these prospects to develop and adapt to the NHL which is why I'm not loving the idea of them assuming if they add in UFAs it is all going to come together before those UFAs are out of the effective primes.

 

[Levitate]

In some ways I'd love Karlsson and would have no problem running him out there as the Rangers #1 RD regardless of what people think of his defensive play (he's so ridiculously good you'd want him on the ice as much as possible) but he's going to be an old free agent (will turn 29 this month) and while I bet he can continue being a real contributor for a long time as long as he can keep his legs healthy (think Brian Campbell) a huge contract for a guy who might only keep up that level for a few more years before settling into a "good" second pairing guy is tough to swallow

If it happens I'm just going to cross my fingers that he is one of the rare players that excels into his 30's.

I also dont' see how Tampa could possibly afford him without trading some huge contracts of theirs

 

[NYR Viper]

In some ways I'd love Karlsson and would have no problem running him out there as the Rangers #1 RD regardless of what people think of his defensive play (he's so ridiculously good you'd want him on the ice as much as possible) but he's going to be an old free agent (will turn 29 this month) and while I bet he can continue being a real contributor for a long time as long as he can keep his legs healthy (think Brian Campbell) a huge contract for a guy who might only keep up that level for a few more years before settling into a "good" second pairing guy is tough to swallow

If it happens I'm just going to cross my fingers that he is one of the rare players that excels into his 30's.

I also dont' see how Tampa could possibly afford him without trading some huge contracts of theirs

If I were TB, I'd look at:

Callahan + TB st '19 for TB 2nd '19
$5.8m in cap space

I'd then look to trade Johnson/Killorn AND/OR Miller
The issue here being those guys all have NTC's or M-NTC's

But net, net, the trades would be Johnson + Killorn/Miller for assets they get in return + Karlsson

 

[One Winged Angel]

Possibility, not probability.

If anyone thinks Florida is a possibility, they need to go check capfriendly.

 

[One Winged Angel]

It may be a possibility, but IMO not at the level of "very much". For me, to even begin to believe that Gorton would need to 1) trade Kreider 2) be in a position to draft one of the names that we bantered about (Cozens, Dach, Zegras, Turcotte etc.). Only then do I see a path for the possibility of Panarin. I still do not believe that this is happening, but when compared to offering Point an offersheet or trading for Malkin, it is the far more realistic scenario.

I only think #1 needs to happen and I can definitely see that happening.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Its the most likely of the 4, but all signs point to Florida.

To get him and Bob, they’d have to move Luongo, Hoffman and then some.

They have to replace McGinn and Sheahan. If they do so with salary minimums, their cap space goes from 8.6 to 7.1. Then they have to move Hoffman and Luongo and possibly Reimer to get it done. No one is taking Luongo’s deal and is Luongo going to leave about 15 million on the table by retiring? I doubt that.

So either they both take less than market value to play there or it doesn’t happen.

Edit: they also have to take back ZERO salary in each of those trades (Luongo, Hoffman and Reimer) to make it work.

 

[SA16]

Panarin to FLA doesn't make sense for Florida with what they would have to give up to make it work but they can do it if they want I guess.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

To get him and Bob, they’d have to move Luongo, Hoffman and then some.

They have to replace McGinn and Sheahan. If they do so with salary minimums, their cap space goes from 8.6 to 7.1. Then they have to move Hoffman and Luongo and possibly Reimer to get it done. No one is taking Luongo’s deal and is Luongo going to leave about 15 million on the table by retiring? I doubt that.

So either they both take less than market value to play there or it doesn’t happen.

They're standing with 21 mill in cap space right now.

All they need to do is move Hoffman to get wiggle room. They can get both Bob and Panarin done in florida for under 21 mill though.

 

[TheBPA]

They're standing with 21 mill in cap space right now.

All they need to do is move Hoffman to get wiggle room. They can get both Bob and Panarin done in florida for under 21 mill though.

21 million in cap space with only 8 fwds and 5 d signed for next season. even if they sign Bob and Panarin for a combined 18 million, which is probably too low, they would only have 3 million left for 4 more roster spots. You could trade Hoffman, but then that's another roster spot that needs to be filled.

 

[One Winged Angel]

They're standing with 21 mill in cap space right now.

All they need to do is move Hoffman to get wiggle room. They can get both Bob and Panarin done in florida for under 21 mill though.

They have 8 forwards and 4 defenders under contract... while it’s possible and we’ve seen Pittsburgh do crazy things, they have a significant portion of their roster to fill and they’re trying to add both Panarin and Bobrovsky and the first priority seems to be in net.

I’m not saying it can’t happen, but people think is a slam dunk. It’s anything but that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

21 million in cap space with only 8 fwds and 5 d signed for next season. even if they sign Bob and Panarin for a combined 18 million, which is probably too low, they would only have 3 million left for 4 more roster spots. You could trade Hoffman, but then that's another roster spot that needs to be filled.

Panarin would take Hoffman's spot, it isn't hard to fill out a 4th line with cheap options. They'll be able to slide in another defender or 2 easily, that isn't really an issue for them.

The other thing is, Luongo may be LTIR'd. At least that was the word a few weeks ago.

 

[Off Sides]

Luongo is not owed much in real money, maybe some team wants that cap hit for the little money owed, yet if Bob goes there I assume either he or Reimer, maybe both are out some way.

 

[TheBPA]

Panarin would take Hoffman's spot, it isn't hard to fill out a 4th line with cheap options. They'll be able to slide in another defender or 2 easily, that isn't really an issue for them.

The other thing is, Luongo may be LTIR'd. At least that was the word a few weeks ago.

It's doable but the pieces need to slide into place. League minimum is $700k next year. Even if Panarin takes Hoffman's place, 6 league minimum players = $4.2 million. If Panarin/Bob cost anywhere north of $18 million, which is very possible if not likely, they will need to do some serious cap crunching in order to make it work.

 

[SA16]

They're standing with 21 mill in cap space right now.

All they need to do is move Hoffman to get wiggle room. They can get both Bob and Panarin done in florida for under 21 mill though.

Yea the whole moving Hoffman thing is the problem. It's not a massive upgrade. Hoffman is a better goal scorer/much better PP scorer/Panarin a better playmaker/play driver who will cost way more. Also Hoffman likely does not have huge value around the league given what he was traded for (twice) last year. And it'll also cost them Dadonov the year after.

The real problem for Fla is Bob though. I would much rather just sign Panarin and not sign Bob if I were them but that one sounds like a foregone conclusion. If they just don't sign him they could have a really great group of forwards.

 

[bobbop]

Was listening in the car when I heard Carp say he was 50-50 on Buchnevich being back last year. I thought that would have blown up this thread. That was his only comment that was any different from what you read here every day.

Brooks did say something the other day about you have to give something to get something. It makes me wonder if they are dangling Buch to get that top 4 defenseman?

 

[SA16]

Was listening in the car when I heard Carp say he was 50-50 on Buchnevich being back last year. I thought that would have blown up this thread. That was his only comment that was any different from what you read here every day.

Brooks did say something the other day about you have to give something to get something. It makes me wonder if they are dangling Buch to get that top 4 defenseman?

Brooks:

1. You have to give to get

2. Would Strome/Vesey entince the Penguins to part with Malkin

 

[Leetch3]

Not that I'm advocating a trade for Malkin, but I don't see a way they get him while not giving up any of Skjei, Andersson, Chytil, Kravtsov, Buch, Kreider, Hajek or Howden in a package.

there isn't. this isn't a salary dump. if the pens trade him it would be only for a monster return to essentially rebuild the entire team on the fly to keep trying to win with crosby. the cost in picks and young players would make people's head explode

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I've long felt that Buch will be on the block to get a D.

Brooks:

1. You have to give to get

2. Would Strome/Vesey entince the Penguins to part with Malkin

Lmao.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the Rangers trade Kreider (as they should) and are keen to NOT re-sign the likes of Fast, Vesey and Namestnikov, they are going to need Buch around.

 

[Edge]

I have to tell you, with ADA, Fox, Miller, Hajek, etc. in the fold, I’m not quite sure the Rangers are as focused on the defense as the board is.

Obviously they’ll move on a deal if they like what they see, but I’m not sure they’re quite as focused on dangling Buch for a defenseman or some of the other ideas being floated out there - especially if they are looking to move Kreider.

For the most part, I get the sense that the Rangers are still trying to figure out what they have and what they don’t have.

As a result, I don’t quite get the feeling they are overly eager to trade younger talent too hastily: be it Buch, be it Georgiev, or even a guy like Skjei.

That doesn’t mean those guys are untouchable, I just don’t know if it’s inherently part of their more frequent discussions.

 

[NYRKING30]

Nor should it be really. He's a cornerstone player to their franchise. Sure he's 33 and coming off a down year but with only 3 years left in term he would be a great acquisition for a team trying to win in the next 3 years. Even 80% Malkin is probably a top 15 center in the league. If they're moving Malkin it should be to return assets that will help them still be good and contend while Crosby is around. Trading Malkin as a pure cap dump would be stupid by the Pens from a ownership (Mario) perspective but also just from a hockey perspective.

If they were seriously trying to move him it would only make sense if it were to be for young about to break out players who are still on cheap ELCs or second deals. I would never do it but a deal they would probably look for from the Rangers would probably be something like Chytil+Buchnevich and maybe someone like TDA or Hajek. That would at least make sense, from the Pittsburgh perspective anyway obviously not from ours, because they'd get potentially a 2nd line center, 2nd line winger and a mid or bottom pair D that would add up to maybe a little over half of Malkin's cap hit.

Agree with the above. I think at the end of the day it will be much more easy and feasible if they move Kessel since they have a couple of wingers and wouldn't have a center to take Malkin's spot with his effectiveness. He should be better next season and is usually a monster for them in the playoffs when they do win. i think that is the route they eventually choose. Especially when you hear about the disconnect between Sullivan and Kessel, it even makes it more logical.

 

[Levitate]

Was listening in the car when I heard Carp say he was 50-50 on Buchnevich being back last year. I thought that would have blown up this thread. That was his only comment that was any different from what you read here every day.

Brooks did say something the other day about you have to give something to get something. It makes me wonder if they are dangling Buch to get that top 4 defenseman?

Carp is weird...I think he did get a few sources but I think he also throws some stuff out there that's just him guess working and he's still a guy who I think really isn't a fan of players like Buchnevich.

I love Buch when he's playing like he did at the end of last season and he's still a young player who they can probably keep at a good price for several more years and is good for 40+ points even if he doesn't take another step. If he keeps up his play from last season? He could be a real valuable piece of this team going forward, I wouldn't trade him lightly and I'm not thrilled about the nebulous "top four defenseman". The Rangers need a top pairing defenseman, not a "top four"

e: but man who else is excited as hell to see Kravtsov and maybe Kakko next year? I know I gotta keep expectations low but seeing those two, seeing if Chytil and Andersson can take another step forward...man, the team might not be good yet but it'll be interesting as hell to watch

 

[haohmaru]

The problem with Trouba is, should he be dangled out there, is that 30 other teams are going to pick up the phone and try to get him. I'm not sure the Rangers should give up the copious assets that it's going to take to trade for a 50 pt. RD. It's going to take A LOT to get him and add up to significant cost.

 

[haohmaru]

Carp is weird...I think he did get a few sources but I think he also throws some stuff out there that's just him guess working and he's still a guy who I think really isn't a fan of players like Buchnevich.

I love Buch when he's playing like he did at the end of last season and he's still a young player who they can probably keep at a good price for several more years and is good for 40+ points even if he doesn't take another step. If he keeps up his play from last season? He could be a real valuable piece of this team going forward, I wouldn't trade him lightly and I'm not thrilled about the nebulous "top four defenseman". The Rangers need a top pairing defenseman, not a "top four"

e: but man who else is excited as hell to see Kravtsov and maybe Kakko next year? I know I gotta keep expectations low but seeing those two, seeing if Chytil and Andersson can take another step forward...man, the team might not be good yet but it'll be interesting as hell to watch

I heard the Carp segment, too, but I think that's HIS take on Buchnevich and not necessarily based on anything solid. He said that Quinn is a great young players coach but he wonders if he's "the guy" when this team is ready and turning the corner. Threw Panarin and Trouba names out there but Trouba, like I posted above, is going to command a king's ransom. I could see them pursuing Panarin at the expense of Kreider and going after another UFA RD and hoping for the best with Fox.

 

[Levitate]

I heard the Carp segment, too, but I think that's HIS take on Buchnevich and not necessarily based on anything solid. He said that Quinn is a great young players coach but he wonders if he's "the guy" when this team is ready and turning the corner. Threw Panarin and Trouba names out there but Trouba, like I posted above, is going to command a king's ransom. I could see them pursuing Panarin at the expense of Kreider and going after another UFA RD and hoping for the best with Fox.

Basically all the stuff we've been talking about . Even around here people have been "eh" on Buch and thinking about maybe using him as a trade chip or whatever