Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII

[Edge]

Trouba’s price will not nearly be as much as thought. It will be a rental price. Either full season rental or partial. He’s not signing with 30 teams, so suddenly across the board it will be rental offers. It’s funny how that happens every year.

I think there’s also a distinct possibility the Jets use Trouba as their own rental.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Kreider is looking for 7 years? big time pass.

 

[NernieBichols]

I think there’s also a distinct possibility the Jets use Trouba as their own rental.

Might be their smartest move with him. What’s the cost to bring In a replace or a deadline upgrade. Might as well keep him as a self rental and then trade his rights at the draft.

 

[Edge]

Might be their smartest move with him. What’s the cost to bring In a replace or a deadline upgrade. Might as well keep him as a self rental and then trade his rights at the draft.

I expect the Jets will look to make moves in order to shore up some other weaker areas, but they are still a contender. They very well might feel like trading Trouba puts them in a position where they are making a lateral move.

Beyond that, I think the Rangers interest in Trouba and someone like Panarin increases if they don’t have to give up assets to acquire said player.

 

[Trxjw]

Still leaning towards Colorado as a landing spot for Kreider for #16 and a prospect. They were circling around Hayes for a large chunk of last season and I'd expect them to make a big play for him as a UFA. Not only would they get 2/3rds of a solid second line, but they manage to add two guys who have played with each other previously. Gives them a competitive season to convince Kreider to re-up with them, or if they slide into a lottery pick they can recoup their investment at the deadline.

 

[Goulet17]

Just going on what I'm hearing out here. Think he could be a great fit for the Rangers, but it's obviously cost depending.

Hearing that from where, as I have not heard anyone suggesting that in Colorado. It makes little sense for Colorado to move on from Colorado unless he is asking from an outrageously stupid contract, in which case the Rangers would be foolish to sign him at the same amount.

Money is not an issue for Colorado ownership.

 

[NYR Viper]

Still leaning towards Colorado as a landing spot for Kreider for #16 and a prospect. They were circling around Hayes for a large chunk of last season and I'd expect them to make a big play for him as a UFA. Not only would they get 2/3rds of a solid second line, but they manage to add two guys who have played with each other previously. Gives them a competitive season to convince Kreider to re-up with them, or if they slide into a lottery pick they can recoup their investment at the deadline.

I’ve thought very similarly and selling Kreider long term on Denver should be relatively easy. Immediate 2nd line.

#16 + Zadaorov + prospect for Kreider at half cap hit

 

[Leetch3]

I don't know what they will do but I would personally take issue with the league permitting Luongo to go on LTIR considering he was healthy enough to play out the remainder of this season even with meaningless games and did not have offseason surgery of any kind.

league has never stopped teams from circumventing the cap this way before....luongo just needs to take a job with the league as the head of player safety or claim that his pads are suddenly itchy and they are in the clear

 

[Fugazy]

Kreider is looking for 7 years? big time pass.

Stay far, far away from that. I doubt another team would give in to that either.

 

[Trxjw]

I’ve thought very similarly and selling Kreider long term on Denver should be relatively easy. Immediate 2nd line.

#16 + Zadaorov + prospect for Kreider at half cap hit

I think the Avs would move Zadorov under the right circumstances, but that seems like a hefty price for Kreider. Even at 50%.

Plus, not that I'm guaranteeing a spot for Hajek, Lindgren et al on that left-side, but having Zadorov in the mix likely means someone has to go. Unless the Rangers are going to buy out Smith or roll him on the 4th line again.

 

[Vitto79]

W capfriendly now showing teams caps this year not so sure if Az can fit Kreider in even if they wanted too?

Vegas will be moving salary out

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think the Avs would move Zadorov under the right circumstances, but that seems like a hefty price for Kreider. Even at 50%.

Plus, not that I'm guaranteeing a spot for Hajek, Lindgren et al on that left-side, but having Zadorov in the mix likely means someone has to go. Unless the Rangers are going to buy out Smith or roll him on the 4th line again.

Also making it that much harder to sign Rykov...

 

[Davisian]

Hearing that from where, as I have not heard anyone suggesting that in Colorado. It makes little sense for Colorado to move on from Colorado unless he is asking from an outrageously stupid contract, in which case the Rangers would be foolish to sign him at the same amount.

Money is not an issue for Colorado ownership.

Hearing it from every avs fan in my work, my beer league and random conversations with people's out here along with the talk radio when they even mention the Av's. Not exactly insider knowledge, but I'd just like that dude wrecking shit for the Rangers.

Could be BS and of course if his demands are stupid it's a no go.

 

[Trxjw]

Vegas is an interesting team to watch. They're already over the projected upper limit with Karlsson and Gusev to sign. The Clarkson contract isn't a huge issue, but Karlsson and Gusev with nobody going out the door will likely make them exceed the summer limit and that extra deal is a nuisance. They'll likely move some bottom-six players to clear space like Eakin and Haula and will need to replace them. Colin Miller has been brought up a number of times here.

Clarkson, Miller, #17 for Fast and #20.

Vegas loses the Clarkson headache and nets a little over $1M in cap savings by swapping Miller for Fast. Hockey trade with some cap benefits. Miller for Fast is an even swap for the most part and dropping 3 spots is the price to pay for cap savings.

The Rangers add another RHD who can move the puck and plays with some edge in his game. Miller, ADA, and Shattenkirk on the right until Fox can earn a spot. Frees up the Rangers to trade Pionk over the summer, and if Miller finds his game again he could be a deadline asset if Fox has shown he's ready. Getting to 17 gets the Rangers closer to the top-15 prospects on their board and the Clarkson contract could be flipped to Ottawa after the signing bonus is paid out so cheap ass Melnyk can get over the cap floor.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I expect the Jets will look to make moves in order to shore up some other weaker areas, but they are still a contender. They very well might feel like trading Trouba puts them in a position where they are making a lateral move.

Beyond that, I think the Rangers interest in Trouba and someone like Panarin increases if they don’t have to give up assets to acquire said player.

Thusly the rumors of both Panarin and karlsson being Rangers targets.

 

[EpicDing]

Also making it that much harder to sign Rykov...

About that...

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

https://thehockeywriters.com/revisiting-the-callahan-st-louis-trade/

Odd. this article claims after everything shook out it was NYR (MSL + 2nd) and TBL (Callahan + 1st +1st) due to conditions being met.

What leverage did Yzerman have anyway? I'm pretty sure MSL said he wouldn't report if traded to anywhere by NYR and he was done as a TBL due to the World Cup snub.

The second pick we sent to Tampa only turned into a 1st because we made it to the SCF. If we didn't reach the SCF it would've been a second.

 

[bobbop]

Don’t expect a Fast trade any time soon. He is probably at the bottom of the list of spare parts to be moved and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he is extended. It’s clear that he is extremely well regarded by management.

 

[bobbop]

W capfriendly now showing teams caps this year not so sure if Az can fit Kreider in even if they wanted too?

Vegas will be moving salary out

Where have you been the last two months?

 

[RangerBoy]

I like to see contrarian ideas even if I don't completely agree with the assessment. Smart people with an open mind generally do.

Giannone is around the team all of the time. He doesn't have a feel for the team. I would listen to the game day podcast he did with Dave Maloney. John is lost. It's not about him having a different point of view.

 

[RangerBoy]

Watching Karlsson this season is exactly why I did not want to go down that path last season.

Karlsson will need a cane or a walker in a few years with all of his foot and lower body injuries. I seriously question the sanity of anyone wanting the Rangers to sign Karlsson. A 29 year old player who relies on his legs who has suffered serious foot injuries which required significant surgery. Now Karlsson has a groin injury. It could be anything. Stomach/abdominal injury. He has the injury for 4 months and it hasn't healed completely. His best seasons are behind him. He still has his moments.

The Rangers already have one free agent bomb on the right side in Shattenkirk. 90% of this board salivated over him for a full year. Shatty. Kevin come home. He stinks. He is fat and out of shape. He suffered a serious knee injury. He was never a great skater. He can't move sometimes watching him since the knee injury. Some games he was more energy than other games. He doesn't produce.

Fattenkirk. Fatty.

The last thing the Rangers need is aging players signed to big contracts. That's a recipe for disaster. People say JD will accelerate the rebuild. JD knows about bad contracts. He was a Rangers broadcaster for 20 plus years in total. Nathan Horton was the Columbus stink bomb. Then they traded him to Toronto for a healthier stink bomb. Then they had to trade a #1 to Vegas to take the Clarkson stink bomb off their hands. They also gave up on William Karlsson. A little more patience is required.

 

[ETTER DE]

Karlsson`s injuries , if they are significant or not should not worry us. If Rangers has a chance to, and want to sign him, and the medical staff says he is OK, then they will. If the medical staff says no, they will not. Let people who are qualified make these decisions. If I am not wrong, these concerns were there when they signed Messier in the early nineties.

 

[Vitto79]

So Skjei , Staal on LD for sure then a battle at camp w Rykov , Hajek , Lindgren ... that will be fun

Claesson and Smith they likeky try and move.

Still think a B Smith and Belesky for Z Smith and Condon makes sense . Atleast Zack is an actual gritty 4th liner

 

[egelband]

I have to tell you, with ADA, Fox, Miller, Hajek, etc. in the fold, I’m not quite sure the Rangers are as focused on the defense as the board is.

Obviously they’ll move on a deal if they like what they see, but I’m not sure they’re quite as focused on dangling Buch for a defenseman or some of the other ideas being floated out there - especially if they are looking to move Kreider.

For the most part, I get the sense that the Rangers are still trying to figure out what they have and what they don’t have.

As a result, I don’t quite get the feeling they are overly eager to trade younger talent too hastily: be it Buch, be it Georgiev, or even a guy like Skjei.

That doesn’t mean those guys are untouchable, I just don’t know if it’s inherently part of their more frequent discussions.

Yeah. I agree that they don't know what they have, really. And 2019-2020 ideally is a final assessment season. Just play the kids, let contracts wind down, trade who they can, draft lottery, see what they have.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think the Avs would move Zadorov under the right circumstances, but that seems like a hefty price for Kreider. Even at 50%.

Plus, not that I'm guaranteeing a spot for Hajek, Lindgren et al on that left-side, but having Zadorov in the mix likely means someone has to go. Unless the Rangers are going to buy out Smith or roll him on the 4th line again.

I think Smith is gone one way or another and having a NHL defense to start the year of Skjei, Zadorov, Staal would be fine. Injuries happen and Hajek and Rykov can play the right side.