Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII

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e: but man who else is excited as hell to see Kravtsov and maybe Kakko next year? I know I gotta keep expectations low but seeing those two, seeing if Chytil and Andersson can take another step forward...man, the team might not be good yet but it'll be interesting as hell to watch
You said it well. They are more than likely a lottery pick team, but another year of growth for the 'yutes of 2018, a full year of Lemieux, the additions of the obviously soft Euros like Kravstov and Kappo, plus hopefully larger samples of Hajek & Lindgren, along with another year of growth from ADA, can even make a ray of sunshine like myself get excited.

That said, I think they are a lottery pick team. I think that they will be entertaining to watch. I think that they will fight tooth and nail for ever inch of the ice and we will witness the best bottoming out that we could have hoped for. And then, after the year, the rise from the ashes commences.........and then they can storm Normandy......

Ok, I waxed the poetic long enough. Let me bring the conversation back to the 3 Ss of Smith, Shattenkirk and Staal......
 
I would love to see a trade for Zadorov. Avs might not be able to pay him and he's an absolute monster that this d corps could use.
A name that is a bit fascinating to me is Ristolainen. He seems to be the type of player that would fit in with what Quinn and Gorton seem to be building. He also seems to have been a bit of a disappointment in Buffalo. I am not advocating a trade for him, just seeing perhaps a buy low possibility.
 
A name that is a bit fascinating to me is Ristolainen. He seems to be the type of player that would fit in with what Quinn and Gorton seem to be building. He also seems to have been a bit of a disappointment in Buffalo. I am not advocating a trade for him, just seeing perhaps a buy low possibility.

Young RHD with size, but by most accounts he is a train wreck defensively. Given the number of young dmen we already have, I'd prefer someone who already possesses shutdown ability. Someone like Carlo.
 
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People still can't get Staal right, and you expect them to get Kaapo right? The fact that his last name is Kakko makes it easy to mix them up. Kappo Kaako :P

I've seen it all over the years. Stahl, McDonough, Krieder, Skeji, Vessey, Rantaa, Kravsov, Straalman, Lundquist. I shouldn't get my hopes up :laugh:
 
If the Rangers plan on bringing in more than just one UFA -- aka Panarin + and plan to sign their own RFAs, i think they will need to jettison another 5-10 mil from the current roster. The players most likely to get moved in that circumstance would be: Shatty, Kreider, Smith, Vesey.

Obviously moving one of Names or Strome would also provide that relief even more than getting rid of Vesey, but I think both are perfect fits for the bottom 6 this year and can help the new kids play Quinn hockey. And on top that they add a level of skill and grit to the bottom of the lineup that Vesey does not. Also, they are both decent deadline sells as they're both coming to the end of their contracts. Heck, the Rangers could probably retain ALL of their remaining salary at the deadline which could mean we could get 2nd rounder for one or both.
 
Interesting article in the Athletic about Chicago at the #3OA pick and the historical unpredictability of how long defensemen require to develop – and the difficulty that presents with Toews and Kane at 31 and 30 years old, respectively.

Why the Blackhawks might draft yet another first-round...

If you're Chicago, would you rather draft Bowen (or Cozens/Dach/etc.) at this stage of your stars' careers... or would you rather have, say Kreider+ADA...?

Could Chicago even afford a Kreider extension? I doubt that pick would be on the table either way.
 
Could Chicago even afford a Kreider extension? I doubt that pick would be on the table either way.
Yeah, but with Kane and Toews (and Keith) all on the wrong side of 30, it's not about the future for them; it's about this year (every year). And as the article points out, whomever they pick (especially if it's Byram) is unlikely to be a major contributor in '19-'20, and potentially not in '20-'21 either. So, why not use that pick to load up on as much immediate help as you can get?

2 months of Hayes with no salary retention was worth a 1st + Lemieux. So, what's a full year of Kreider (potentially at half price) + ADA worth...?
 
Gorts has his work cut out for him these next few months trying to clear up this logjam on defense. The obvious preference would be to move out Shattenkirk, Smith and Staal, in that order. Pionk seems to be a given to be one of the odd men out.

The problem is I'm not so sure if anyone bites on any of the high priced guys. The first two would have to waive, so that complicates an already complicated situation.

Dreams of bringing in Panarin are nice and all, but this is still a rebuild. Skjei and ADA will get significant ice time, making sure Hajek, Lindgren and now Fox and Rykov get theirs is a priority as well. The latter two didn't sign here to play in Hartford.
 
Yeah, but with Kane and Toews (and Keith) all on the wrong side of 30, it's not about the future for them; it's about this year (every year). And as the article points out, whomever they pick (especially if it's Byram) is unlikely to be a major contributor in '19-'20, and potentially not in '20-'21 either. So, why not use that pick to load up on as much immediate help as you can get?

2 months of Hayes with no salary retention was worth a 1st + Lemieux. So, what's a full year of Kreider (potentially at half price) + ADA worth...?

Not 3OA.
 
I don't understand this at all. How would EK's injuries not worry any signing team? That's just incredibly ignorant. Not only does he miss too many games or play through too many injured for a guy who will be paid out the teeth, but their is a clear decline in his level ever since our playoff round.

He is turning 29 this month. His last two seasons have declined in succession. He has been oft-injured the past 2 years. And he will very likely be signed until age 36. Of all the FA signings that have turned bad in recent years due to rapid declines, none is more obvious than EK.

That is why you do medical test before you sign anyone. Dont exactly know how this works in the NHL because of the franchise-system. In european soccer (were the clubs are independent) every player that is signed or bought from another club goes through these tests. And the contracts are not signed before the players has passed them. And the tests are thoroughly done. Got to be something similar in the NHL. You dont make these decisions based on rumours on a hockey forum
 
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Forget all the real talk it’s too early.

Just tell me why trouba signs anything but a one year deal.

What are you talking about? RFA's sign 5-6 year deals that eat into their UFA years all the time. Why are you assuming one year - particularly when we're talking about Winnipeg moving him this summer? The team he's being traded to would presumably do so assuming they could sign Trouba.
 
Yeah, but with Kane and Toews (and Keith) all on the wrong side of 30, it's not about the future for them; it's about this year (every year). And as the article points out, whomever they pick (especially if it's Byram) is unlikely to be a major contributor in '19-'20, and potentially not in '20-'21 either. So, why not use that pick to load up on as much immediate help as you can get?

2 months of Hayes with no salary retention was worth a 1st + Lemieux. So, what's a full year of Kreider (potentially at half price) + ADA worth...?

Would you consider Kreider, ADA, and the 20th for 3OA?
 
What are you talking about? RFA's sign 5-6 year deals that eat into their UFA years all the time. Why are you assuming one year - particularly when we're talking about Winnipeg moving him this summer? The team he's being traded to would presumably do so assuming they could sign Trouba.
Hayes route. Bet my pants on it. You guys are basing your arguments and telling me I got it wrong, when you guys got me in a place where until he signs a one year deal, you can tell me I’m wrong or whatever. But we all know, what his best option is and he’s take it so.... enough already. And if you don’t know what I mean then. What can I say to begin with
 
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Still yes

He reaches his UFA years next summer, but it depends on what contract he signs this summer whether or not he actually is UFA next year (highly unlikely)
I’m gonna be proven right in a month or so, one year deal or he gets traded to the team he wants to sign long term with, with an extension.

I bet you. If I’m wrong, I won’t post here again. If your wrong, you change your name to amazing nerniebichols
 
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Hayes route. Bet my pants on it. You guys are basing your arguments and telling me I got it wrong, when you guys got me in a place where until he signs a one year deal, you can tell me I’m wrong or whatever. But we all know, what his best option is and he’s take it so.... enough already. And if you don’t know what I mean then. What can I say to begin with

You're "wrong" because we're talking about Winnipeg TRADING Trouba, not about Winnipeg RETAINING Trouba. Sure, if he stays in the 'peg it's in his best interests to sign a one year deal and become a UFA next summer.

But that's not what we're talking about. A team trading for him, if he's available, is going to do so with the premise that he's "signable". Otherwise, they'll wait until the trade deadline next year, a la your aforementioned Hayes, and rent him.
 
What are you talking about? RFA's sign 5-6 year deals that eat into their UFA years all the time. Why are you assuming one year - particularly when we're talking about Winnipeg moving him this summer? The team he's being traded to would presumably do so assuming they could sign Trouba.
Bc of trouba’s history with Winnipeg and what Hayes just did last summer In the identical situation. What don’t you understand?
 
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