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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII

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rangerfan_79 said:
I like to see contrarian ideas even if I don't completely agree with the assessment. Smart people with an open mind generally do.
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Yep. I'll give a "like" to posts that are challenging or just (reasonably) different, even if I don't necessarily agree. Nothing worse than an echo chamber.
 
Davisian said:
Yeah, he's definitely not pretty but this team is soft as baby **** and at the right price he could be a great fit with the smaller puck movers on the right side.
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The team was really soft under AV but I was pleasantly surprised last year. They seemed to come together a bit. More toughness would be welcome, but I don't like Zadorov's brand of toughness. He's a bit of a head hunter and goes out of his way to do it. Maybe I'm being overly judgemental, and I certainly haven't seen a ton of him, but he strikes me as dirty. Toughness is good but it needs to be the right kind of toughness.
 
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NernieBichols said:
Trouba’s price will not nearly be as much as thought. It will be a rental price. Either full season rental or partial. He’s not signing with 30 teams, so suddenly across the board it will be rental offers. It’s funny how that happens every year. People say so and so has 30 teams interested. But meanwhile, there are only 2-4 teams they feel they have a shot to keep him long term, 1-3 of those teams might be willing to trade more than a rental price to get him early for a playoff and about 10 teams interested as a rental.
Guys with one year left simply don’t return much unless they come with an extension, but unless your a contender and want the player for this years run (ala stone), or if your in the rangers position where (where it stands today) have no reason to pay premiums for his services next year.
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Trouba doesn't have "one year left". He's an RFA this summer.

Why would Trouba be "a rental price"? Because he's an RFA? His next contract will be a minimum of two years and the teams that are going to go full bore to get him (again, if he's even "available") will certainly inquire about speaking with him about the likelihood of him signing long term. Even if that's not a possibility, a two year 50 point RD rental is going to cost A LOT. Look at what McD cost as a 1.25 yr "rental".
 
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bobbop said:
Don’t expect a Fast trade any time soon. He is probably at the bottom of the list of spare parts to be moved and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he is extended. It’s clear that he is extremely well regarded by management.
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Extending an injury prone 3rd/4th liner going into his age 29 season sounds like a great plan.
 
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Livingstone said:
Karlsson`s injuries , if they are significant or not should not worry us. If Rangers has a chance to, and want to sign him, and the medical staff says he is OK, then they will. If the medical staff says no, they will not. Let people who are qualified make these decisions. If I am not wrong, these concerns were there when they signed Messier in the early nineties.
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I don't understand this at all. How would EK's injuries not worry any signing team? That's just incredibly ignorant. Not only does he miss too many games or play through too many injured for a guy who will be paid out the teeth, but their is a clear decline in his level ever since our playoff round.

He is turning 29 this month. His last two seasons have declined in succession. He has been oft-injured the past 2 years. And he will very likely be signed until age 36. Of all the FA signings that have turned bad in recent years due to rapid declines, none is more obvious than EK.
 
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Davisian said:
Hearing it from every avs fan in my work, my beer league and random conversations with people's out here along with the talk radio when they even mention the Av's. Not exactly insider knowledge, but I'd just like that dude wrecking **** for the Rangers.

Could be BS and of course if his demands are stupid it's a no go.
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Got it. I think people are wary because Zadorov had a prolonged contract negotiation last time in which he signed a day or two into training camp. He has a high opinion of himself and is strong-willed, so you could envision difficult contract negotiations with him and the Avs again. We heard whispers of the Russian card (KHL is always an option) during the last go around with negotiations, but Zadorov seemed quick to shoot that down that rumor and he seems to legitimately like being in the US.

Zadorov is an interesting case, as he can bring an immense physical dimension and presence on a blue line, but he is still wildly erratic and inconsistent in terms of his puck management at times. He is, for better or worse, a high event defenseman at this point (both good and bad). It is difficult to see the Avs trading him due to the same elements that make him attractive to some NY fans. It is possible that the Avs would simply prefer to not deal with the headache of any negotiations and perhaps allocate resources elsewhere in their lineup. The Avs do seem to like Graves as a LHD and trading Zadorov would give him a bigger role. I don't see how the Avs could simply give him away, but I am not sure that he could command a high trade price at this point.
 
Staal is worse defensively than smith, less versatile than Smith, and has a slightly worse buyout than Smith so I have no idea why we would buy out Smith other than Staal other than nostalgia. I don’t buy the leadership argument they have other veterans - lundqvist/Zibanejad/fast etc.
 
SA16 said:
Staal is worse defensively than smith, less versatile than Smith, and has a slightly worse buyout than Smith so I have no idea why we would buy out Smith other than Staal other than nostalgia. I don’t buy the leadership argument they have other veterans - lundqvist/Zibanejad/fast etc.
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You need leadership at all positions. Zibanejad and Fast might be good leaders... along with Kreider for now. And Lundqvist might be a good leader. But none of them are defensemen. Staal is pretty much our only one back there... and he’s good at it.
 
Tawnos said:
You need leadership at all positions. Zibanejad and Fast might be good leaders... along with Kreider for now. And Lundqvist might be a good leader. But none of them are defensemen. Staal is pretty much our only one back there... and he’s good at it.
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And yet despite his great defensive leadership this has been one of the worst defensive teams in the league the last two years so how much is this even making a difference?

And what makes Smith not a leader? We don’t know what goes on in the locker room. But we do know he gives it all for the team, stands up for players during games, and was willing to play both defense and forward.
 
SA16 said:
And yet despite his great defensive leadership this has been one of the worst defensive teams in the league the last two years so how much is this even making a difference?

And what makes Smith not a leader? We don’t know what goes on in the locker room. But we do know he gives it all for the team, stands up for players during games, and was willing to play both defense and forward.
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Success is only partially a result of quality leadership. You still need the talent, which the Rangers haven’t had over the last two years. There can still be good leadership in a situation with poor results. Also, success in the immediate isn’t a goal at this point anyway.

Smith was the most undisciplined player on the ice for the team last season. I’m not just talking about penalties. Hard to imagine the coaching staff looking to him to provide leadership for that reason alone. You’re right that we don’t know what goes on in the locker room, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard Sam, Joe, John, Dave, or any of the beat writers mention him as a leader. Maybe he is, but even if he is... I would be surprised if he was as good at it as Staal.
 
haohmaru said:
Trouba doesn't have "one year left". He's an RFA this summer.

Why would Trouba be "a rental price"? Because he's an RFA? His next contract will be a minimum of two years and the teams that are going to go full bore to get him (again, if he's even "available") will certainly inquire about speaking with him about the likelihood of him signing long term. Even if that's not a possibility, a two year 50 point RD rental is going to cost A LOT. Look at what McD cost as a 1.25 yr "rental".
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is trouba not a UFA next summer? That means he has one year left and is a rental. Am I wrong?
 
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egelband said:
The team was really soft under AV but I was pleasantly surprised last year. They seemed to come together a bit. More toughness would be welcome, but I don't like Zadorov's brand of toughness. He's a bit of a head hunter and goes out of his way to do it. Maybe I'm being overly judgemental, and I certainly haven't seen a ton of him, but he strikes me as dirty. Toughness is good but it needs to be the right kind of toughness.
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Guys like him do cross the line at times, it’s the nature of being physical. Timing is difficult. He’s not dirtier than someone like Gudas or Wilson, both of who are in the division.
 
SA16 said:
Staal is worse defensively than smith, less versatile than Smith, and has a slightly worse buyout than Smith so I have no idea why we would buy out Smith other than Staal other than nostalgia. I don’t buy the leadership argument they have other veterans - lundqvist/Zibanejad/fast etc.
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I think Smith is tradeable. Staal isn’t with his NMC. I wouldn’t buy out either
 
NYR Viper said:
I think Smith is tradeable. Staal isn’t with his NMC. I wouldn’t buy out either
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I think Staal is tradeable with retention with only 2 years left on his deal now. It's different than when we had to buy out Girardi because Girardi had more years. Staal is terrible but teams love these awful defenseman with experience and leadership qualities and intangibles and what not. The Penguins gave Jack Johnson a huge deal for whatever reason and then traded a reasonably good middle six forward for Gudbranson last year and that's just examples from one team. I don't think they'll get anything for him of value of course but even a 50% trade for a 7th is better than a buyout.

Smith I think is less tradeable (even though I think he is significantly better) because he has a worse reputation around the league.
 
SA16 said:
I think Staal is tradeable with retention with only 2 years left on his deal now. It's different than when we had to buy out Girardi because Girardi had more years. Staal is terrible but teams love these awful defenseman with experience and leadership qualities and intangibles and what not. The Penguins gave Jack Johnson a huge deal for whatever reason and then traded a reasonably good middle six forward for Gudbranson last year and that's just examples from one team. I don't think they'll get anything for him of value of course but even a 50% trade for a 7th is better than a buyout.

Smith I think is less tradeable (even though I think he is significantly better) because he has a worse reputation around the league.
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I just don’t see Staal waiving. Smith is a good bottom-pairing guy. I could see a team biting at half cap hit and sending back a similar forward
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Doesn't change the fact that he has not signed an extension yet
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Your right.

Ask yourself, did you even bother listening before you responded? If not, your just arguing and I’m trying to chat with y’all and give you some actual info from the horses mouth.
Have a good day fellow ranger brethren. May the lord of light shine on you ;)
 
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Interesting article in the Athletic about Chicago at the #3OA pick and the historical unpredictability of how long defensemen require to develop – and the difficulty that presents with Toews and Kane at 31 and 30 years old, respectively.

Why the Blackhawks might draft yet another first-round...

If you're Chicago, would you rather draft Bowen (or Cozens/Dach/etc.) at this stage of your stars' careers... or would you rather have, say Kreider+ADA...?
 
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