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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII

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NernieBichols said:
I’m gonna be proven right in a month or so, one year deal or he gets traded to the team he wants to sign long term with, with an extension.

I bet you. If I’m wrong, I won’t post here again. If your wrong, you change your name to amazing nerniebichols
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My best guess is he signs a one year deal to take him straight to UFA. Winnipeg uses him as an "internal rental" for a deep playoff run. Then he signs with Detroit 7/1/2020
 
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haohmaru said:
You're "wrong" because we're talking about Winnipeg TRADING Trouba, not about Winnipeg RETAINING Trouba. Sure, if he stays in the 'peg it's in his best interests to sign a one year deal and become a UFA next summer.

But that's not what we're talking about. A team trading for him, if he's available, is going to do so with the premise that he's "signable". Otherwise, they'll wait until the trade deadline next year, a la your aforementioned Hayes, and rent him.
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So your changing the parameters of what I’ve been saying, saying I’m wrong about what I’m saying bc you were previously talking about ‘something’ different.
 
NernieBichols said:
Man why in the world do you think he signs a one year deal ;)
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Because it gets him out of Winnipeg the quickest and they need him at the height of their Cup contention so it makes no sense to trade him. As a RFA that is his leverage. As the team holding his rights, that is the jets leverage.
 
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haohmaru said:
You're "wrong" because we're talking about Winnipeg TRADING Trouba, not about Winnipeg RETAINING Trouba. Sure, if he stays in the 'peg it's in his best interests to sign a one year deal and become a UFA next summer.

But that's not what we're talking about. A team trading for him, if he's available, is going to do so with the premise that he's "signable". Otherwise, they'll wait until the trade deadline next year, a la your aforementioned Hayes, and rent him.
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Your right. Technically
 
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NernieBichols said:
This is so base. And I touched on all this earlier about the trouba interest around the league. Your just spinning. Your not gonna win this one bud
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"Win" what? What part of what I'm saying doesn't make sense to you? If the Jets retain Trouba, then I agree with your premise. If Trouba is being shopped, the teams that are inquiring about him are going to base those inquiries on whether or not they believe they can sign him. If the Jets say they are open for business on Trouba then a TON of teams are going to make that phone call. If you disagree with that then I think you're completely off base on it.

No spin here.
 
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NernieBichols said:
I’m gonna be proven right in a month or so, one year deal or he gets traded to the team he wants to sign long term with, with an extension.

I bet you. If I’m wrong, I won’t post here again. If your wrong, you change your name to amazing nerniebichols
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That doesn't mean you're right. It just means events played out to the only possible result you have been stating as fact.

As it stands now, Jacob Trouba isn't UFA in 2019: FACT
 
haohmaru said:
"Win" what? What part of what I'm saying doesn't make sense to you? If the Jets retain Trouba, then I agree with your premise. If Trouba is being shopped, the teams that are inquiring about him are going to base those inquiries on whether or not they believe they can sign him. If the Jets say they are open for business on Trouba then a TON of teams are going to make that phone call. If you disagree with that then I think you're completely off base on it.

No spin here.
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To be clear my point was trouba’s value is not that high bc: teams know he’s heading to UFA unless one of a handful of teams he’d be willing to resign with, gives up the premium to get him for this season. Now how many of the teams he’d be willing to resign with, are contenders or hopeful enough that they would pay said premium. Right. To the rest of the NHL he is rental bc there is no doubt that barring being traded to said team(s) with an extension, he’s gonna sign a one year deal and go the Hayes route.
 
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Christ I hope all the teams think they don't want to wait that long for a defenseman and pass on Byram. We got plenty of time to wait on him and have him be our future #1 dman if he drops that far.
 
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NernieBichols said:
Your telling me what I’m saying and i haven’t said 95% of what your saying I’m saying. Your just spinning this and telling me I’m saying things that support your argument but your saying them, not me.
To be clear my point was trouba’s value is not that high bc: teams know he’s heading to UFA unless one of a handful of teams he’d be willing to resign with, gives up the premium to get him for this season. Now how many of the teams he’d be willing to resign with, are contenders or hopeful enough that they would pay said premium. Right. To the rest of the NHL he is rental bc there is no doubt that barring to traded to said team(s) with an extension, he’s gonna sign a one year deal and go the Hayes route.

Spin whatever you want now. Or try to
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The guy spinning is you. Trouba is an RFA this summer. Trouba hasn't signed a one year deal. Trouba isn't a UFA next summer. These are the indisputable facts.

If Winnipeg retains Trouba, is a one year deal likely? Yes.

If Winnipeg trades Trouba is the team he's being traded to likely to sign him to a multi-year (a la Lindell, Skjei, etc...) deal that eats into those UFA years? Yes.
 
haohmaru said:
The guy spinning is you. Trouba is an RFA this summer. Trouba hasn't signed a one year deal. Trouba isn't a UFA next summer. These are the indisputable facts.

If Winnipeg retains Trouba, is a one year deal likely? Yes.

If Winnipeg trades Trouba is the team he's being traded to likely to sign him to a multi-year (a la Lindell, Skjei, etc...) deal that eats into those UFA years? Yes.
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I actually agree with everything you said. Your right
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Why not? They're not getting Kakko or Hughes (who could make an instant impact and whom I agree they would never pass up). So how does whomever they draft at 3OA help them win with a 30-y-o Kane, 31-y-o Toews, and 34-y-o Keith?
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They are not dropping 17 spots for that package. it's not enough. They could draft a Byram at 3 and then trade one of the other defenseman they need for help - that's pretty much exactly what that Athletic article said. Trading down from the #3 is far far away from their only options in order to improve the team immediately. They have no reason to trade out of the top 10 at least. If you wanted that pick, you'd first have to get into the top 10.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Why not? They're not getting Kakko or Hughes (who could make an instant impact and whom I agree they would never pass up). So how does whomever they draft at 3OA help them win with a 30-y-o Kane, 31-y-o Toews, and 34-y-o Keith?
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They're not trying to win now. They'd like to win now, but afaict their D is a mix of ancients and infants.
 
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Berserk said:
They are not dropping 17 spots for that package. it's not enough. They could draft a Byram at 3 and then trade one of the other defenseman they need for help - that's pretty much exactly what that Athletic article said. Trading down from the #3 is far far away from their only options in order to improve the team immediately. They have no reason to trade out of the top 10 at least. If you wanted that pick, you'd first have to get into the top 10.
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The primary point of the article (as I read it) was that anyone they draft at 3 — in particular Byram, as a defenseman — is hardly a guarantee to be much of a contributor next year, or even the next, while their best players are in their prime. So, why wouldn’t they entertain the idea of dealing it for immediate help to try to win a Cup?

We’re on a prospects message board where most treat top 10 picks as the most valuable assets in any organization, but what really makes sense for a Chicago with 3 prime stars on the wrong side of 30? Unless you believe Byram can step in right now, today, and be dominant? Remember, Makar and Vesalainen both required almost two full years before they contributed...

e: Note: I'm not saying it's something they should do, or that I've necessarily got the value right (though I think it's in the ballpark), but I don't think it's as far-fetched as you believe. I know it's something I would consider, if I was their GM and had their roster.
 
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I wonder if Colorado would trade down from 4 and still get their guy. They don't seem to have a problem getting NCAA players to sign.

If Byram goes to Chicago at 3, they can trade down a few spots and get Zegras, Turcotte, or Boldy. Edmonton may want to trade up and guarantee Cozens or Dach. Their 2nd rounder to the move up from 8 to 4 to get their guy. Colorado still gets their guy and Edmonton won't lose out on a Canadian forward. Win win.

LA will take Cozens or Dach. Whoever the team 4th overall doesn't take.

Does Detroit nab a falling Podkolzin? My gut says they take Turcotte or Zegras to match up with Zadina. Buffalo likely goes American too. Colorado will have their pick of who's left of the American three and get an extra high end round pick in the process.
 
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