No. Imo he is a sleeper prospect for the Rangers. I think he'll make a run for a spot in 3-4 years. No offense whatsoever, but good enough to be a pro contributer. Question is whether or not that's in Europe or NA.
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No. Imo he is a sleeper prospect for the Rangers. I think he'll make a run for a spot in 3-4 years. No offense whatsoever, but good enough to be a pro contributer. Question is whether or not that's in Europe or NA.
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I’d use both cap withholds this offseason if it meant being rid of Smith and Shattenkirk. Create some roster spots on the back end. Maybe take back a forward the other team is looking to move to save some money if there on a shorter term deal.
Clear cap space by trading for picks:
Namestnikov
Shattenkirk (some salary retained)
Vesey
Buyout
Brendan Smith
Sign as UFA’s
Panarin - 10m AAV
Karlsson - 9.5m AAV
Resign RFA’s
Buchnevich - 4m AAV
Claesson - 1m AAV
Deangelo - 2.5m AAV
Lemieux - 1.35m AAV
Seems to fit under the cap
Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Andersson-Howden-Strome
Lemieux-Nieves-Fast
Skjei-Karlsson
Staal-Deangelo
Claesson-Fox
Lundqvist
Georgiev
Namestnikov
Shattenkirk (some salary retained)
Vesey
Buyout
Brendan Smith
Sign as UFA’s
Panarin - 10m AAV
Karlsson - 9.5m AAV
Resign RFA’s
Buchnevich - 4m AAV
Claesson - 1m AAV
Deangelo - 2.5m AAV
Lemieux - 1.35m AAV
Seems to fit under the cap
Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Andersson-Howden-Strome
Lemieux-Nieves-Fast
Skjei-Karlsson
Staal-Deangelo
Claesson-Fox
Lundqvist
Georgiev
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Tying up 20 million for 8-10 years doesn't seem wise. There's just way too much risk with free agents.
I doubt right now if anyone is going to give EK65 seven years. It’s not just us who are risk adverse.
You forgot this year’s Arizona pick in your proposed deal.A little after the 11 min mark:
Chris Johnston weighs in on the Hurricanes/Bruins series and Karlsson's future - Sportsnet.ca
We are No 1. for Karlsson. So what is the plan, corner the market of RDs so that someone will give up something for Shatty?Karlsson, TDA, Pionk, Shatty, Fox, Keane, Lundkvist. All same size and play same style.
Seriously though, a few thoughts.
1. One guy that really are turning heads at the WCHs is Eric Cernak, he is playing like a real stud. RD with size that play a tough game, and can skate and has offensive tools. I know that Yzerman is the worst GM ever, but he seems to have picked up another good player in that trade.
Cal Foote is coming of a really steady season in the AHL. He can step in and play next season. That gives them 6 Ds. They have about 10m in cap space and must sign Point and bring in 3-4 depth guys. Cally is an easy buy-out, and they should be able to move him to someone for a little sweatner.
I think Tampa makes a lot of sense for Erik Karlsson. Does Karlsson make a lot of sense for Tampa? I think they do. The thing is, Karlsson's by far biggest problem is that he has been a one-man-team for way to long. Everyone have been able to target him. That wouldn't be the case for him nor Tampa if he want there. I always thought Karlsson would stay in SJ, but if his wife isn't liking it there, who knows.
The only real scenario I see Karlsson coming to NY is if the Currey's daughter tells him to get it done and Erik complies and Gorts cannot resist the temptation at around say 9m and 5 years or whatever... 11m x 3 years or whatever. That would make a mess, RHS would play on the left side, we saw how long it took for Karlsson to get settled in SJ and what a mess it was with having both Burns and Karlsson on the ice at the same time, and those two are pretty talented...
2. After break-up day, Henrik Lundqvist surprised everyone by agreeing to go to the WCHs. Hank have been pitching NY City to Erik Karlsson. He sits down with Quinn and Gorts and suggest that the rebuild is over on break-up day. Karlsson will consider coming here. Shortly after (right?), he accepts to go to the WCHs and once there he makes that comment to Expressen, 'I have to respect that the organization might want to go in a different direction' or whatever he said.
It doesn't seem to me like Gorton gave Hank the answer he wanted on break-up day.
3. Sakari Manninen is a perfect center for Kaapo Kakko. 5'7 and skates like the wind, small and can handle the puck and skate with it in traffic.
Its hard to find someone more similar to Sakari Manninen than Tyler Johnson. TJ was an Yzerman favorit. 5 years left at 5m per, he is 28 y/o, 29 y/o when next season starts. TJ is the type with a light body that sometimes can keep it up at a high level for a long time, 5m is not much in today's cap climate. We have so many bigger forwards in the system if we get Kakko, Buch is big, Kravy is big, Ziba.
I am just saying, if we were to add someone this off season -- someone in the mold of Tyler Johnson is what I would want. Small and speedy and can get the puck up ice.
I wouldn't be against a deal like this that I think would work for both sides, if Tampa signs Karlsson and buys out Callahan: Strome @50% and Names @50% (1 year for both) for Tyler Johnson and Tampa's 1st (27th).
4. In Finland, nicknames often ends with an -o. Gabriel becomes Gabo. Finns cannot pronounce G or B before an o, it becomes a K in both instances. Gabriel becomes Gabo and Gabo becomes Kaapo. Katharina becomes Katho, and its easy that Katho becomes Kakko.
Kaapo Kakko is in other words the Finnish version of Gabe Cathy.
Why is he named after Katarina. Katarina, or Cathrine II in English, was the Russian Tsaress (Empress) during the later part of the 18th century. Sweden lost Finland to Russia in 1809. A lot of places in Finland was named after Katarina after that. Even if the name was hard to pronounce, that name, the bigger districts and places named after her still keep her name. Especially around Åbo or Turku as its called in Finish and English, new districts was created after a fire in 1827. There was however other smaller places that had the name changed to Kakko.
5. Its hard to know what Gorton's plan is with Kreider, but it doesn't seem unlikely that he will be traded.
To force through a deal, its not bad to work with conditions. You just must make them the right ones. One could be Kreider to Arizona for their 1st this season and a 3rd next season that becomes a 2nd conditional on Kreider resigning there, that becomes a 1st conditional on Arizona making the POs next season.
6. There are many teams looking for a RHS PPQB out there. They are like back-up goaltenders, there is always someone that needs one and you don't want to enter a season without one, it can really torpedo your entire PP if you have to start to make it work with a LHS there, to a big extent these guys are interchangeable. Shatty is still a good PPQB. Gorton should be able to deal Shatty, but he probably have to take a contract back. Like Belesky, something like that.
7. I think Gorts is trying hard to deal Smith, I think they agreed to have Smith give it his all and be a team guy last season in return for Gorts doing everything to deal him now. Remains to be seen if it can be successful.
Kravy-Ziba-Buch
Lias-Chytil-Vesey
Howden-Tyler Jonson-Kakko
Smith-Boo-Fast
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Pionk
Hank
Geo
Draft
2019 - 2, 20 and 27
2020 - NYR 1st, Dallas 1st (if Zucc resigns there) and Arizona's 1st (if Kreider resigns there and Ari makes the POs)
This that would put us in a good position going forward. But there are of course options and pros and cons with all alternatives.
Please no Tyler Johnson.
Mixed feelings on EK. Heck of a player but doesnt stay healthy and will be 29 at the start of that contract.
Mixed feelings on EK. Heck of a player but doesnt stay healthy and will be 29 at the start of that contract.
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Your math is way off. Luongo isnt retiring and it will not be hard at all
That is a worst case scenario lineup where Florida had to buyout Reimer (his cost is included on this roster), and Panarin and Bob cost an exuberant 21 million, with the cap at a paltry 81.5 million max. All that has to be done is move Hoffman at no retention which is easy. The above team is at 81.3 million which is easily under the cap.
How many games in Karlsson playing in the next 5 years? The guy is damaged goods. What is the difference between 5 or 7?
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I have no idea if Bread will end up with us or you guys but Florida not having space will not be the reason.
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haohmaru
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Fox cost us that because we get him a year earlier, not because he wasn't going to sign here in a year after spending it in Harvard. The Rangers wanted him here for this year, that was the cost.
Maybd a 7th , they likely tried to move him at the deadline .. he’s better just as cheap depth
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We are the masters of the 7th round draft choice. The more we have, the better.
LOL it’s fun to joke about but really they’ve dealt 7th rounders too ....getting anything for McLeod and Maz was shocking
I also see Gorton doing more Fox type deals using picks to live up and get Young assets
The more things change.........
And in 3-4 years, the discussion will be how many teams are on Panarin's NTC and what is the cost of a Karlsson buy out.
Difference is that we will have a mix of veterans and young players; not just a mix of UFA’s. Imagine being a young player getting to play with and learn from the likes of Panarin and Karlsson.
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After the spotlight the NHL Network put on EK the other night, I'm more inclined to pass on EK now than I was and I didn't really want him a month ago.
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