Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII

[GAGLine]

I really feel like we aren't talking about Subban enough. The guy is available for trade and Nashville might have to retain to move him. They wouldnt need to retain if trading with us. We can give them both Kreider and Shattenkirk at 50% if they are interested. I really think there is a deal to be made there and Subban would be of more use to us for longer than EK65.

We aren't talking about him because he's a bad idea. Just turned 30 and has 3 years left at 9 mil, most of which will be wasted on a bad team. Are we re-signing him at age 33 to be part of the core of a cup contender?

It makes no sense to waste our last significant trade asset (Kreider) to get a player who won't be part of the solution.

 

[duhmetreE]

RANGERS AND LINDY RUFF LIKELY TO PART WAYS

Rangers and Lindy Ruff likely to part ways - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS

The belief around the Rangers last season was that Lindy Ruff would provide a bridge for David Quinn and his staff as they transitioned to the NHL. Former Ranger, David Oliver was responsible for the forwards, while Ruff handled the defense. However, the man Quinn brought in from Boston College, Greg Brown should be moving from his perch at the Garden to the bench next season.

Brown had a solid pro career as defenseman and was a teammate of both Brian Leetch and Mike Richter in the 1988 Olympics. He also played 4 seasons in the NHL to go along with his college and international career that spanned 20 years.

Before joining the Rangers staff, Brown was an assistant with Boston College and was responsible for the defense. While there, BC won the NCAA title 3 times and he coached both Chris Kreider and former Ranger, Kevin Hayes. Also notable is the fact he coached Brady Skjei at the 2014 WJC and Rangers promising prospect Ryan Lindgren at the 2017 & 2018 WJC.

 

[pld459666]

He missed the entire month of March and came back on the last day of the regular season to get ready for the playoffs. He obviously rushed back, is playing hurt, and wouldn’t even be playing now if it wasn’t the playoffs. With all that he’s still third in points during the playoffs. Why is this a surprise?

After the season ends we will probably find out he came back months early or needed surgery or something and played through it.

*i don’t actually want to sign him to the Rangers I just don’t get the narrative. Girardi plays through injuries in the playoffs and he’s a warrior. Karlsson plays through them and he looks like he can barely move and is a disaster?

Girardi also then quickly became an albatross of a player/contract

 

[Chytilmania]

What kind of defensive improvements should we expect with Ruff out? Haven't the Rangers given up a ridiculous amount of shots since he was hired? Or is that from a decline in the talent?

 

[JT Kreider]

We aren't talking about him because he's a bad idea. Just turned 30 and has 3 years left at 9 mil, most of which will be wasted on a bad team. Are we re-signing him at age 33 to be part of the core of a cup contender?

It makes no sense to waste our last significant trade asset (Kreider) to get a player who won't be part of the solution.

It is pretty remarkable how the prospect of landing one of Hughes/Kakko has distorted some posters views of how quickly we're going to get back in playoff contention.

The thoughts of signing Karlsson or Panarin is fun and all, and I understand the sentiment; it's hard for me to not get swept up in the "hype" myself.

This is still a rebuild. We are only ~15 months removed since the 2018 TDL, the officially start of the rebuild. Barely in its infancy stage. Drafting 2nd overall in a draft that has two players worthy of being 1st overall is a game changer, but we still have a ton of question marks that needed to be figured out before we make our move to get back in the mix.

We still need to see what we have in guys like Chytil, Andersson and Howden. They need to take the next step in their development if they're to be players we can build around moving forward. Skjei needs to have a big bounceback season or else the hopes of him ever being a true top pairing defenseman are done. We already had a logjam on defense and now we need to find ice time for both Fox and Rykov as well. I doubt they came here to play in Hartford.

A key season for Tony D as well to see if he can put it all together and be an elite OFD or if his 2nd half was more of a mirage. Same for Zibanejad. He has to prove his 70 point season wasn't just a fluke, but needs to also build on that if he is going to be our first line center moving forward if we dont get Hughes.

TL..DR this is still a team with a bunch of question marks and thinking about making a trade for a player like PK to put us back in the playoff picture... you'd be getting way ahead of yourself.

 

[Doctyl]

RANGERS AND LINDY RUFF LIKELY TO PART WAYS

Rangers and Lindy Ruff likely to part ways - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS

If this is true, this offseason just keeps getting better and better

 

[Doctyl]

I’d take EK for 3 years. His contract comes off the books in time to resign Kravtsov and Kakko. No way he takes a deal that short though.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Panarin yes...Karlsson no way.

 

[RGY]

Guys like Zibanejad and ADA will not be able to continue their progress if you strip them of the veterans around them while surrounding them with both youth and bottom feeder UFA vets that are meant to be on the 3rd/4th line and the bottom pair. It only pushes the youth up into spots they may not be ready to handle. Youre setting them up for failure as well.
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There is no timeline for how long a rebuild should take. It could take 3 years. It could take 5 (hopefully not). It could take 1-2 if things break the right way. A lot of things have broken the right way for the Rangers. This isnt your typical rebuild. If they decide to re-sign Kreider and/or sign Panarin it would be understandable.

EK, I just dont like him given his age now as he enters UFA status and his injury history. But there is no questioning his talent and ability

 

[NernieBichols]

RANGERS AND LINDY RUFF LIKELY TO PART WAYS

Rangers and Lindy Ruff likely to part ways - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS

I had a feeling this was gonna Happen once Krueger got hired in buffalo. I think ruff is going to back to be a coach there

 

[eco's bones]

The point with Panarin is to accelerate the development of our best prospects like Kakko (Hughes) or Kravtsov. He's a gifted player who has stayed away from major injures. He works well with others. He's a chemistry guy.

We have the money and I really don't think that the worry over future cap issues amounts to anything at all. The Rangers in the next 3/4/5 years are going have loads of players on first and second contracts and a lot of those second contracts are not going to be all that big. I mean does anyone here forsee giving Andersson or Howden a $5 mil per year contract on their second deal? Maybe a couple or three, four guys are going to justify that kind of expenditure and keeping in mind that Lundqvist, Shattenkirk, Staal and Smith and their collective $25 mil are going to be coming off the books two years the Rangers are way more likely to be awash in cap space for several years unless they are signing free agents. In any case you give young players--you lock them up when they've proven they've deserved that and simply being good gets you good money but not great money. Panarin is a great player and he'll get great money--he can help Kakko and/or Kravtsov get better quicker.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

The reason I like Subban is despite having the same concerns about his play as EK, we at least know he would only have 3 years left at 9 MM. Why pay EK for 5/6 years at 11?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I really feel like we aren't talking about Subban enough. The guy is available for trade and Nashville might have to retain to move him. They wouldnt need to retain if trading with us. We can give them both Kreider and Shattenkirk at 50% if they are interested. I really think there is a deal to be made there and Subban would be of more use to us for longer than EK65.

I’d rather drink Bleach than entertain the idea of trading for Subban.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

The reason I like Subban is despite having the same concerns about his play as EK, we at least know he would only have 3 years left at 9 MM. Why pay EK for 5/6 years at 11?

Why do we need either player as a rebuilding team?

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I’d take EK for 3 years. His contract comes off the books in time to resign Kravtsov and Kakko. No way he takes a deal that short though.

There is no way EK signs a 3 year contract. That would be beyond idiotic with his decline in play and injury history. He is almost sure to sign a 7-8 year contract. It is going to be the last big one of his life and he needs to cash-in.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’d take Subban, but I wouldn’t trade much of value. Mainly as a bridge to a younger player

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Why do we need either player as a rebuilding team?

In case you haven't noticed, there is a significant contingent of posters who see us competing for the cup as soon as next year.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

In case you haven't noticed, there is a significant contingent of posters who see us competing for the cup as soon as next year.

15 months. Rebuild complete.

 

[Tawnos]

In case you haven't noticed, there is a significant contingent of posters who see us competing for the cup as soon as next year.

There might be a couple. There isn’t a significant contingent.

Name these posters.

 

[RGY]

Love the contingent of posters that have GM’ed before and have the magic crystal ball to let us all know how long this rebuild should and will take.

Close down the board discussion if you dont subscribe to their views/opinions of what the team should do this offseason.

 

[DutchShamrock]

*i don’t actually want to sign him to the Rangers I just don’t get the narrative. Girardi plays through injuries in the playoffs and he’s a warrior. Karlsson plays through them and he looks like he can barely move and is a disaster?

Ehh, feels pretty consistent to me. Girardi may have carried a warrior label but got ridden out of town for dropping off due to injuries. The contract was too long and too high, after getting paid for his prior contributions. No one is saying EK is wimp or denying his warrior status. Just lessons learned from situations just like Girardi. He is getting hurt more frequently and it's a concern that it's his bread and butter that may fail him.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Love the contingent of posters that have GM’ed before and have the magic crystal ball to let us all know how long this rebuild should and will take.

Close down the board discussion if you dont subscribe to their views/opinions of what the team should do this offseason.

What about your crystal ball? You’re ready to start splurging in free agency.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

There might be a couple. There isn’t a significant contingent.

Name these posters.

Come on. I'm not going to do that. But I think I'm actually in the minority, insofar that I believe this rebuild is going to take 3-5 years to actually pay dividends. You can read the past few pages and see that here is a strong contingent of posters who believe we should be signing Panarin and potentially other FA's and that if we do so, we can make the playoffs next year where 'anything can happen.' At worst, this group sees us competing in 2021. Which, again, seems premature to me.

Love the contingent of posters that have GM’ed before and have the magic crystal ball to let us all know how long this rebuild should and will take.

Close down the board discussion if you dont subscribe to their views/opinions of what the team should do this offseason.

I assume this is a response to my post. I mean, I haven't GM'ed before, but I've watched many rebuilds take place and can't think of one that saw a team become competitive after only one year of rebuilding. I don't know exactly how long a rebuild should and will take, but this just seems like common sense.

I think it's pretty obvious that when a team announces a rebuild like the Rangers did, the plan is not meant to be rapid and short-term, but meant for a few seasons.

Anyway, you can try and be a little less condescending in your posts. You have a tendency to get pretty worked up when people disagree with your point of view.

 

[Ola]

The risk for any aging free agent is that you’re run the risk of primarily paying them for what they accomplished with a former team.

In the case of EK, that risk is probably higher.

I think he risks are different. Could it be more likely that he faces a career ending injury? Possibly, but I don’t think so. It’s not knee/back issues or something like that.

But is there a risk for his game to fall of a cliff? Nah, I think he has passed that test. He can play and perform even when crippled. He has the skill level, but also the mental ability to play. How would Panarin play if his back hurt every time he wakes up in the morning or he can’t move on the ice? I would be more afraid of that scenario.

I think it’s a remark that is close by, that Karlsson is on the verge of getting that final push that makes him fall down a cliff. But I don’t know if there really is ground for it. I wouldn’t at all rule out that Karlsson can have a long career. Of course, if something breaks that can’t be fixed, it is what it is. But as long as he can get out there he could do some damage.

But just to repeat — he should NOT be an option for us.

 

[Lays]

I'd be very surprised if they don't take Byram.

I know that Chicago was planning on taking Kotkaniemi last year but Montreal took him 3rd. They drafted 2 dmen in the 1st last year. Turcotte is a similar player to Kotkaniemi in the sense that they’re both smart 2 way C’s and Turcotte is from Chicago or near it. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Turcotte go 3rd. Anyone but these two would be surprising though