Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’d be willing to bet if Tavares was open to coming here, they would have been aggressive to pursue him

 

[Thirty One]

I have no idea what you are saying. And I left out the word "media" in my original post.

"Most" of the Canadian media was not "convinced" that Karlsson was getting traded to the Rangers. That's ridiculous.

 

[bobbop]

Why would Newport leak that info? It only weakens Zuccs negotiating power.

Where do you think press speculation comes from? Agents leak stuff to put pressure on teams.

 

[Fitzy]

I’d be willing to bet if Tavares was open to coming here, they would have been aggressive to pursue him

If we believe reports over the years NYR believe in bidding on star players when they hit the market- NYR were supposed to be interested in Stamkos as well.

This is why it wouldn't shock me if they put in a bid on Panarin or Karlsson. That said, so many teams will field offers that there's really no way of knowing if NYR have genuine interest unless they sign with us.

In terms of trading for high end talent it's hard to predict, because we're only one full season removed from trading our #1 defenseman. It's still a little early to know what our "weak spots" are in drafting development until we see more from Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, and Igor.

I also don't see a Rick Nash type trade any time soon, especially when there are UFA age players about to hit the market for no assets, and New York gives the Rangers some advantages.

 

[Thirty One]

If we believe reports over the years NYR believe in bidding on star players when they hit the market- NYR were supposed to be interested in Stamkos as well.

This is why it wouldn't shock me if they put in a bid on Panarin or Karlsson. That said, so many teams will field offers that there's really no way of knowing if NYR have genuine interest unless they sign with us.

In terms of trading for high end talent it's hard to predict, because we're only one full season removed from trading our #1 defenseman. It's still a little early to know what our "weak spots" are in drafting development until we see more from Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, and Igor.

I also don't see a Rick Nash type trade any time soon, especially when there are UFA age players about to hit the market for no assets, and New York gives the Rangers some advantages.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Rangers give Panarin an offer in the range of the market AAV but for 4-5 years, like Shattenkirk.

 

[Ghost of jas]

"Most" of the Canadian media was not "convinced" that Karlsson was getting traded to the Rangers. That's ridiculous.

"It was heavily speculated in the Canadian media that the Rangers would attempt to trade for Karlsson". I didn't realize we were getting literal here.

 

[bobbop]

Where do you think press speculation comes from? Agents leak stuff to put pressure on teams.

And I should have added, teams leak stuff when it is to their advantage. Like letting the world know they are interested in Panarin. Or ‘I am listening on everyone on the roster’.

 

[Avery16]

Should Mats Zuccarello and the Rangers reunite?

 

[Fitzy]

Should Mats Zuccarello and the Rangers reunite?

He list Zucc as 33 when he won't even be 32 until the fall. Larry's hit the booze early today.

 

[Barnaby]

Our 3 internal candidates for a future 2. line center just finished their d+2 or d+3 seasons. While looking trough tons of decent centers on eliteprospects they usually broke the 0,5 ppg treshold between their d+4 and d+6 season. Just dont feel viable to throw a ton of assets into trading up to get a prospect that we hope will become a 2. line center. 1 year ago we all penciled in Chytil in as out future 1C. Even with a normal progress a Zegras or Newhook might have a similar d+2 season like Andersson or Chytil. Just a normal seanon for a young player making normal progress. Im sure if Andersson/Chytil/Howden was toying with NCAA/SHL/etc. at this point there would be no panic regarding the future. Most of their compareables had in their d+2 seasons no or very little NHL experience. There arent many non-top3 picks making huge waves in NHL until their d+4 season.

I wouldn't rule those guys out at this point, although I don't see the flashes with Lias, and I think Howden profiles more as a 3C. Chytil certainly could be that.

With that said, centers and defensemen are vital in this league so I think you keep swinging hard until you know you have them.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Should Mats Zuccarello and the Rangers reunite?

No.

 

[effen]

Most rumors circulated by Canadian media slappies came from the gnome that lives in their head. You know this is true because every f'n year instead of making trades when its patently obvious they're needed, NHL GMs wait till the TDL or the Draft because That's How They've Always Done It(TM). Barely an ounce of front office creativity in the sport.

 

[Thirty One]

"It was heavily speculated in the Canadian media that the Rangers would attempt to trade for Karlsson". I didn't realize we were getting literal here.

Heavily? As a Canadian resident, I managed to not get swept up in the Karlsson-to-NYR hysteria that was rampant last summer. I think you might be remembering it more than what it was.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Panarin-deniers deserve Olympic Gold for the mental gymnastics they exhibit

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

[Thirty One]

He list Zucc as 33 when he won't even be 32 until the fall. Larry's hit the booze early today.

Also had the details of his last contract wrong. Larey, pls.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

And that’s why, based on his actions thus far, I’m not really sure he goes all out for Panarin.

He’ll do his diligence, kick the tires, but I don’t know if it’s a priority.

What actions? Trading pending UFAs? A letter? Unless you have insight that we don’t, nothing he’s done so far has offered any real insight into their offseason plans.

 

[Barnaby]

Georgiev, Lundkvist, Pionk, Vesey/Names and Chytil for Seth Jones.

I'd even throw Kreider in. Columbus needs to re-tool. I'd be hyper-aggressive. They mortgaged the future for this year... On top of it, they could lose their 2 best forwards.. Jones has 3 more years left before UFA...

Bash people who don't see the logic in adding Panarin in one post, and throw out an insane Seth Jones trade proposal in the next. Oh boy.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Heavily? As a Canadian resident, I managed to not get swept up in the Karlsson-to-NYR hysteria that was rampant last summer. I think you might be remembering it more than what it was.

NHL Network Radio on Sirius XM. The discussion was a big topic about the Rangers pursuing Karlsson. It included quite a few Canadian hosts and journalists.

 

[Ghost of jas]

What actions? Trading pending UFAs? A letter? Unless you have insight that we don’t, nothing he’s done so far has offered any real insight into their offseason plans.

I’ll let you in on a little secret....he does.

 

[Barnaby]

Where do you think press speculation comes from? Agents leak stuff to put pressure on teams.

Thanks for the newsflash. Maybe I misread the post, but I took it as Zucc already had his deal in place with Dallas which would presumably mean 'done deal.' If you took that to mean he prefers Dallas so come blow him away, then by all means go on. I also really don't see the point in his agency making leaks about his preference until they had time to talk with Dallas - series ended less than 24 hours ago. Maybe there's another angle I'm not privy too.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I’ll let you in on a little secret....he does.

Cool, that’s great. Didn’t realize we had someone here plugged into Gorton and co getting inside info. Still doesn’t change my point that they really haven’t done anything thus far to indicate what their offseason plans are.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

And that’s why, based on his actions thus far, I’m not really sure he goes all out for Panarin.

He’ll do his diligence, kick the tires, but I don’t know if it’s a priority.

If Gorton can get Panarin on HIS terms, he’ll be a Ranger, but I can’t see him getting into a bidding war. I’m guessing he ends up in Florida, it’s just too obvious.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If Gorton can get Panarin on HIS terms, he’ll be a Ranger, but I can’t see him getting into a bidding war. I’m guessing he ends up in Florida, it’s just too obvious.

Brooks pretty much said that in his article yesterday. As I’ve said before, I don’t get the sense Gorton’s as ‘all-in’ on Panarin as some here would like him to be. He’ll explore his opportunities, but, he has yet to do something that would make me wonder if he’s moving away from what was outlined in the letter. Gorton has been a hell of a lot more patient than a lot of folks here.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Can’t believe people are still making the “Buffalo or Edmonton” argument within a week of the Fox trade.

Many aspects of that move sum up why I have a ton of faith that the NYR will not end up like either of those franchises.

 

[Barnaby]

Cool, that’s great. Didn’t realize we had someone here plugged into Gorton and co getting inside info. Still doesn’t change my point that they really haven’t done anything thus far to indicate what their offseason plans are.

You can read the tea leaves. It's not foolproof - maybe they check in on Panarin or maybe go all in on him.

However their actions the last 1.5 have shown zero intention to compete next year. They haven't added one player that would be a significant veteran presence in 19-20. They didn't make a serious attempt to retain any of their free agents that would've seriously helped them win next season including a guy like Hayes who was relatively young. Gorton continuously talks about staying with the process, sticking to the plan, building a young team, and has added zero long term deals up to this point. Now, maybe their plan was to have two big drafts then go Gaga on other teams UFAS. Maybe they do trade for a big RD. It's possible, but at this point I think it's way more probable than not that they don't get significantly involved... last offseason they brought in guys like McQuaid and Claesson... sounds more like a team sticking to vets on short deals and adding picks to me. Panarin would just be such a huge departure from what they've been doing.