Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

[Edge]

OR... and hear me out on this...

He was referring to acquiring past picks who are further along in their development but who aren't in the NHL. For example a Fox type of acquisition. One who fits the timeline of the rebuild, but who slots in well after having simmered in the NCAA a bit longer.

Not splurging for expensive UFAs when we don't know what we have yet. Once we have a good idea then he may go shopping.

And that's really what it comes down to.

The whole Panarin thing seems to be based on hoping it's what he means, but not necessarily something that aligns with what he's actually gone out done.

If we accept the fact that Gorton, for the most part, reveals little in his words, than we're left with having to judge him by his actions.

There's very little in his approach with the Rangers thus far that indicates deviating from the course now. Pundits keep waiting for it, just like they made it sound like keeping Hayes was ever a real possibility, and that's going to get clicks. But I don't know if there's a ton of meat of on those bones.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

God damn do I love Justin Barron

We know.

He was awesome yesterday. Really hoping Halifax pulls it out.

 

[Edge]

It would be tampering if Gorton brought his name up before he's officially an UFA.

Well yes, he's not going to come out and say Panarin by name. But having worked in and around the sport for more than 20 years, there are usually things that are known, even if they aren't spelled out.

And that still doesn't account for the fact that Gorton continues to "stay the course" while others interpret his words (or lackthereof) to be a precursor to the possibility that they're going to make a run at a player.

 

[Calad]

We have Vets, so I completely disagree that we need Panarin for his leadership.

If 1 player won't be the difference maker between being a bubble team/bottom feeder, then you don't sign him? You pay that kind of contract to someone who is a difference maker.

Chytil has had a season and a 1/2 here. Howden won't see big minutes. K+K might very well start in Hartford. Fox can be sheltered since we have options on Defense.

Zbad, Kreider, Buch, Fast, Strome, Names. Even if you remove Kreider from that group we're not a team composed of pubescent teenagers. Staal, Shatty, Smith, Skjei. Lunqvist.

This team has vets.

You're completely misrepresenting my argument. Whether you are deliberately doing so to fit your own (also known as a strawman), or you just lack the simple reading comprehension skills to understand me, these are not the points I made. No where did i mention the word LEADERSHIP in my entire post, in fact I explicity said talented veterans. Having an elite player that can both help carry the load and be someone our young players can look up to and learn from is not always quantifiable, but very important to the growth of a young player. At least we agree that we aren't signing Panarin "just for his leadership."

No where did I say that Panarin was not a difference maker. I very clearly explained that even though we are signing a player as talented as Panarin, it likely wouldn't be enough to offset the loss of Hayes, Zucc, Kreider. In fact I would argue that even if we signed Panarin, that the team would finish just as bad or even worse than in the 18-19 season. We will start with even less veteran depth than the year before, the roster will be younger and thus more green, and our biggest problem, the defensive core, will be a year older and worse as it's shortcomings won't be improved until the dead weight is gone. Good thing that Panarin would be around a bit longer than next season and still be able to be a big contributor when the team starts making waves. No where is there a hard fast rule that a rebuilding team is unable to sign a talented free-agent, the binary thinking that some people continue to tout around here that either gorton signs no one of significance which continues the rebuild or he signs 1 player and thus it is declared "NYR FANS THE REBUILD IS OVER!!" Signing Panarin is a TALENTED VETERAN player that the team can use a cornerstone for the rebuild and bring about some stability.

Speaking of stability, you note that the Rangers are "stacked with veterans". Four of the six forwards I bolded in your post have an expiring contract, and seeing that Gorton will continue to rebuild he is likely to trade many of these expiring contracts seeing how thats the M.O. of a rebuild (yes, strome still has 1 year of RFA control but his QO will be expensive for what he brings). Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk, Lundqvist will all be gone the season after that. Sure would be nice to have a good vet to be around a bit longer than that.

 

[aufheben]

And he very well could.

But, I think that's somewhat separate from where we are now. There's a lot of speculation as to what people "think" Gorton will do (or in some cases what they want him to do). But there's really nothing pointing back to Gorton's approach to indicate it's really a thing.

Even now, the JD thing is something you hear about.

The wanting to move up in the draft chatter is something you hear about.

The Panarin thing seems to be more of a product of pundits than behind the scenes chatter that's out there. And for the people who really want Panarin, I think it kind of takes on a life of its own.

For sure, I’m just saying the fact that we’re rebuilding might not mean as much as people think, in this context. Gorton’s conducted this rebuild aggressively and with no sentimentality. Is he going to wait for the window to open, or is he just going to open it himself?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

We know.

He was awesome yesterday. Really hoping Halifax pulls it out.

I hope he sucks in the regular season and then is great in the playoffs next year so the Rangers can grab him with a second first round pick, it would also help check off two boxes for Rangers picks: once highly touted kid who’s fallen, and kid who ends the season strong

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin-deniers deserve Olympic Gold for the mental gymnastics they exhibit

 

[duhmetreE]

Georgiev, Lundkvist, Pionk, Vesey/Names and Chytil for Seth Jones.

I'd even throw Kreider in. Columbus needs to re-tool. I'd be hyper-aggressive. They mortgaged the future for this year... On top of it, they could lose their 2 best forwards.. Jones has 3 more years left before UFA...

 

[Thirty One]

If the Rangers have decided that they are going to be aggressive in trying to add high-end NHL talent, what would it look like at this point, besides reporters saying so and vague statements from Gorton? A billboard outside MSG with Panarin's face in a bullseye?

Yes, there was some talk last season that the Rangers would make some adds and they did absolutely nothing. Nash retired. Kovalchuk and Grabner got three year deals. Who else was mentioned more than in passing?

 

[DanielBrassard]

If the Rangers have decided that they are going to be aggressive in trying to add high-end NHL talent, what would it look like at this point, besides reporters saying so and vague statements from Gorton? A billboard outside MSG with Panarin's face in a bullseye?

Yes, there was some talk last season that the Rangers would make some adds and they did absolutely nothing. Nash retired. Kovalchuk and Grabner got three year deals. Who else was mentioned more than in passing?

It was mentioned that they would have been interested in Tavares if he had them on his list, but since he didn't it didn't matter what they wanted.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Georgiev, Lundkvist, Pionk, Vesey/Names and Chytil for Seth Jones.

I'd even throw Kreider in. Columbus needs to re-tool. I'd be hyper-aggressive. They mortgaged the future for this year... On top of it, they could lose their 2 best forwards.. Jones has 3 more years left before UFA...

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[duhmetreE]

Panarin Zibs Buch
Kravtsov Strome/Lias Kakko
Lemiuex Howden Lias/Strome

Skjei Jones
Staal ADA
Hajek Fox

Trade up for Zegras/Newhook.

Am I becoming too Bern'd out?

 

[Ola]

Panarin-deniers deserve Olympic Gold for the mental gymnastics they exhibit

I am totally convinced he is willing to sign anywhere, as long as he gets to play for a team that isn’t coached by Torts...

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Well yes, he's not going to come out and say Panarin by name. But having worked in and around the sport for more than 20 years, there are usually things that are known, even if they aren't spelled out.

And that still doesn't account for the fact that Gorton continues to "stay the course" while others interpret his words (or lackthereof) to be a precursor to the possibility that they're going to make a run at a player.

I’m not in the sign Panarin camp but I think trying to predict what Gorton is going to do or trying to parse what he says in interviews is a waste of time. He’s not going to tip his hand, he never does.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If the Rangers have decided that they are going to be aggressive in trying to add high-end NHL talent, what would it look like at this point, besides reporters saying so and vague statements from Gorton? A billboard outside MSG with Panarin's face in a bullseye?

Yes, there was some talk last season that the Rangers would make some adds and they did absolutely nothing. Nash retired. Kovalchuk and Grabner got three year deals. Who else was mentioned more than in passing?

Most of the Canadian media was convinced the Rangers would trade for Karlsson, and there was a lot of speculation they'd be in on Tavares.

 

[Ola]

It was mentioned that they would have been interested in Tavares if he had them on his list, but since he didn't it didn't matter what they wanted.

Yeah, but the thing is, you manage a professional business very differently than how we approach it.

You can list 100 decisions that a GM considers far from easy, and many here could answer them in under 2 minutes. Stick a multi answer paper under our nose and we could just get through it in no time.

It’s one thing to sit and watch as a spectator, it’s another to call the shots.

If Gorton was quoted saying ‘We will consider everything this summer’ — it can create headlines. He will talk with UFAs, look at RFAs, everyone can be traded, it’s the end of the world.

There is a process involved. You want all the cards on the table. You want to hear what your staff has to say. And so forth. I don’t think we can read too much into these things.

 

[kovazub94]

Newport Sports represents Zuccarello. They are based in Mississauga, Ontario which is a suburb of Toronto. Kyper lives and works out of the same area.

Maybe Newport is his source. They would know.

This is so far fetched - @Thirty One's explanation is much more plausible.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Panarin-deniers deserve Olympic Gold for the mental gymnastics they exhibit

Just twisting ourselves in knots watching Gorton continue to do exactly he has said he would do all along. My the contortions.

 

[Ghost of jas]

For sure, I’m just saying the fact that we’re rebuilding might not mean as much as people think, in this context. Gorton’s conducted this rebuild aggressively and with no sentimentality. Is he going to wait for the window to open, or is he just going to open it himself?

Gorton has done exactly what he has said he would do.

 

[Thirty One]

Most of the Canadian was convinced the Rangers would trade for Karlsson, and there was a lot of speculation they'd be in on Tavares.

Yeah, the problem with this sentence is that words like "most" and "convinced" have exact meanings.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah, the problem with this sentence is that words like "most" and "convinced" have exact meanings.

I have no idea what you are saying. And I left out the word "media" in my original post.

 

[Edge]

I’m not in the sign Panarin camp but I think trying to predict what Gorton is going to do or trying to parse what he says in interviews is a waste of time. He’s not going to tip his hand, he never does.

And that’s why, based on his actions thus far, I’m not really sure he goes all out for Panarin.

He’ll do his diligence, kick the tires, but I don’t know if it’s a priority.

 

[Ghost of jas]

And that’s why, based on his actions thus far, I’m not really sure he goes all out for Panarin.

He’ll do his diligence, kick the tires, but I don’t know if it’s a priority.

Like a pretzel, you are.

 

[Dijock94]

Panarin Zibs Buch
Kravtsov Strome/Lias Kakko
Lemiuex Howden Lias/Strome

Skjei Jones
Staal ADA
Hajek Fox

Trade up for Zegras/Newhook.

Am I becoming too Bern'd out?

No Chytil?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Most of the Canadian was convinced the Rangers would trade for Karlsson, and there was a lot of speculation they'd be in on Tavares.

We have no idea if they would have been in on Tavares because it never even got to the point where it was entertained so I don't see how that's a problem with the reporters. Karlsson there was speculation for sure, but Friedman shut that down so did Brooks.
Rangers unlikely to end up with Ottawa's Erik Karlsson