Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

[kovazub94]

Panarins girl is a model and yet she allows him to leave the house with that Kenny Powers-esque shirt?

Do many of you know who's her father?

 

[bobbop]

We'll have to mark @tradenashnow down as undecided.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

He probably forgot he was pro-staal as tradenashnow and anti-staal as wenevergetagoodcoach.

Know what I’m saying

Split personality disorder is one big, real, mother f***er

 

[Vitto79]

So I fail to see why they can’t just keep Smith as a spare D for this year then trade him at 50 percent in the last ?

Same w Shatty , they are moveable then and no long term cap dead space

 

[failure]

Good lord Panarin needs help in the style department.

 

[bobbop]

Good lord Panarin needs help in the style department.

He's doing pretty well in the arm candy department.

Which, by the way, is one of the reasons New York is mentioned so much in connection with the Breadman. She is a model of some repute. No better place for a modeling career than the greatest city in the world.

Piss on the Panthers.

 

[Beacon]

Works for me.

At the end of the day, I'm not that concerned about the actual pairings. I trust Quinn to figure them out. What I'm looking at is the asset allocation and the building of an eventual (like '20-'21 or '21-'22) solid D-corps.

This is especially true at this stage of the rebuilding. The lines and pairs will figure themselves out, as will linear trades (similar age and talent, but different roles that suit better each team). This is the asset accumulation stage. Get us enough tanks and planes, and eventually the Generals will figure out how to deploy them.

 

[Fugazy]

1000% Panarin to Panthers with Bobrovsky

It does seem brutally obvious.

 

[Edge]

Last offseason we had a bit of a discussion about Zibanejad in the context of 1C position. I tried an approach of projecting his performance / production when he was healthy while you refused to call Zibanejad anything more than a 50-point center until proven otherwise. You're kind of being similarly conservative now with your assessment of Trouba. This is a position you're fully entitled too but IMHO it's OVERLY conservative in case of players in their mid-twenties.

I don’t remember that at all. I do recall consistently saying Zibanejad is capable of being a first line center with 6o or even 70 point, if he can stay healthy.

In fact a quick search with Zibanejad and my name reveals a history of talking about his talent level when others were unsure.

Also found that this post from March 23, 2018. I believe it’s on page 14 of the search results:

“I'd love to see him have that 82 game stretch where he has linemates he clicks with, where he's healthy, and a coach/system that exploits his best attributes.

Obviously, I know it's unreasonable to expect this kind of play every game. But I truly believe Zibanejad has 30 goal/70 point potential.”

But I’m intrigued and would be curious to see what you’re referencing.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don’t remember that at all. I do recall consistently saying Zibanejad is capable of being a first line center with 6o or even 70 point, if he can stay healthy.

In fact a quick search with Zibanejad and my name reveals a history of talking about his talent level when others were unsure.

Also found that this post from March 23, 2018. I believe it’s on page 14 of the search results:

“I'd love to see him have that 82 game stretch where he has linemates he clicks with, where he's healthy, and a coach/system that exploits his best attributes.

Obviously, I know it's unreasonable to expect this kind of play every game. But I truly believe Zibanejad has 30 goal/70 point potential.”

But I’m intrigued and would be curious to see what you’re referencing.

Don’t lie. You sit on a throne of lies

 

[Edge]

Don’t lie. You sit on a throne of lies

Hey if I said it, I’ll own. Admittedly, it doesn’t sound like something I’d say, and seems out of place when doing a brief run through of my Zibanejad comments over the last several years, but I can’t say for certain.

 

[Beacon]

https://www.tsn.ca/video/final-four-nhl-teams-don-t-have-a-player-making-more-than-8-million~1682400

But quick, sign UFAs. That's how you build a winner.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

https://www.tsn.ca/video/final-four-nhl-teams-don-t-have-a-player-making-more-than-8-million~1682400

But quick, sign UFAs. That's how you build a winner.

8 million is ~10% of the cap at the moment. Players currently in the conference finals who signed a contract at a 10% cap hit or higher upon signing:

David Krejci (BOS)
Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
Vladimir Tarasenko (STL)
Alex Pietrangelo (STL)
Jordan Staal (CARL)
Brent Burns (SJS)
Erik Karlsson (SJS)
Logan Couture (SJS)*

Flawed logic to say we shouldn't sign UFAs based on this article.




* Contract kicks in on July 1st

 

[Ola]

Does anyone?

How can anyone remember who anyone else is when everyone keeps changing names all the time? I have a hard time remembering my grand-parents names, at this place there are like 100 of posters and some are changing names all the times.

 

[Ola]

Panarin and Bob are vacationing together in Miami before they go back to mother Russia.







Go Panthers.

Shirokov has always been a personal fav of mine, to the left in that insta. Recon he must be a bit too old now...

 

[Ola]

Do many of you know who's her father?

Haha, you beat to it lol, when I saw the name I was like, nah, it can't be, not this guy:

All I can say is that Panarin must have a psyche of steel.

 

[duhmetreE]

Fans say come to play with Dadonov, and Panarin says that Florida has no fans in the stands

Translated interview as obtained through The Official Florida Panthers Facebook Group:
Panarin’s Live Feed From Miami, with a Fan, his friend and Celebrity Show Host Stan, and Bob (TRANSLATED)
-Artemi says Hi to everyone
-Gets asked about Russian National Team, he replied that he is not watching but saw the winning scores
-Panarin is asking who watched CBJ playoffs (no reply from fans)
-Artemi says now is break time so there is time to relax and chill. Right now season is over, he is flying to St. Petersburg, Russia on Thursday and should be arriving Friday or over the weekend
-Fans says don't go to Spartak(KHL), come to SKA(KHL) and Panarin says everything depends on the offer
-Fans comment that CBJ looked good in the playoffs
-Fans asking how come CBJ didn't show up the last 3 games. Panarin says that he doesn't know how to answer that. We did show up we just lost the games
-Fans ask who does he cheer for in the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Panarin replies that I am currently cheering for .... I don't know... No One
-Panarin is jokingly asking fans for rumors where Bobrovsky is going next season
-Torts didn't say anything to Panarin after CBJ defeat
-Panarin asks Rizhiy, where should they go next year to play hockey
-Panarin says that hockey is painful word for Rizhiy as the dog runs away
-Fans ask if you can become a pro at age 15 and Panarin replies, chances are slim but it's possible depends on what sport
-Rizhiy is super hyper today
-Comment about Panarin's hat
-No plans to come to Korkino yet, going to stay in St. Petersburg, then maybe he will fly over
-Fans ask about his feeling toward Tampa Bay, Panarin replies that currently he is positive to all NHL Clubs
-Another comment on Friday arrival to Russia
-Alice is sitting on the balcony, Panarin says he kicked her out, but now she is watching his show as a subscriber
-Fans asking about when he is coming to Spartak(KHL), and Panarin replies that his contract is done so new contract talks could be in place
-Fans asking where is harder to play KHL or NHL. Panarin said KHL is actually harder offensively because the ice rink is larger, it's hard to score and it takes forever to skate across the rink
-Fans ask if he wanted to play for the Russian National Team, Panarin replied that he wanted to play and many people wished him luck but he never got called up so he never went. He never declined to go play
-Fans say come to play with Dadonov, and Panarin says that Florida has no fans in the stands
-Panarin asks Bob to join his live feed. Says he has a couple of questions for him
-Asks Alice to call "Sega"(Bob) so he can join the live feed
-Panarin says that Bob laughs at him because when someone new visit's Bread's house he start explaining what trick Rizhiy can do
-Fans says that Ukraine is cheering for Russia, and Panarin thanks them
-Panarin says that is probably not fun to watch him play with the dog, but he is waiting for Sega(Bob) to join, also thinks that he is avoiding him to avoid saying anything extra about contracts
-Panarin says Vegas is an awesome team. The atmosphere is the best in the NHL
-Panarin still doesn't know English but plans to study this summer
-Fans asking Panarin if he knows about Bob's new team, and Panarin replies that he is trying to connect with him so he can ask
-Bob is in the bathroom, can't join
-Panarin is not watching the World Championships, watching the ocean and getting a tan
-Fans ask Panarin to connect with someone from the Russian National Team, but Panarin not sure who has Instagram
-Bob should be online soon
-Panarin asks if he uses WhatsApp will his feed get disconnected?
-Fans requesting Shipachov, Dadonov, Panarin line. Panarin says he doesn't know if Shipachov will return to the NHL and Dadonov's contract is over next summer so anything is possible
-Fans make jokes that Bob is making saves from his toilet seat
-Panarin calls Olya through the cell to have Bob to join the live feed. Panarin keeps asking Bob to join. Alice is giving instructions to Bob how to connect to the chat
-Alice keeps eating chocolate and laughing at Panarin because he can't connect
-Artemi asks Alice to call Bob again, and comments that Bob is completely not ready for chat. Panarin asks Bob to write something in his chat window
-Panarin jokes that two Russian country boys from Korkino and Novokuznetsk having trouble using technology and connecting
-Still can't connect...
-Panarin asks Rizhiy what jersey he wants to wear next year
-Panarin asks if he disconnects and restarts will the fans join back in
-Panarin says he will restart and then he can have a serious conversation
-Olya is giving instructions to Alice how to connect, but Artemi says he needs an invite
-Bob still can't connect, (Bob cursing in Russian on the Phone)
-Now Bob and Olya are arguing how to connect to Instagram
-Alice recommends to just join Bob's feed, but Panarin replies that he can end his feed because he has 4000 subscribers online right now
-Panarin jokes that Miami has bad effect on Bob. FLA only has 2G lol

 

[RangerBoy]

8 million is ~10% of the cap at the moment. Players currently in the conference finals who signed a contract at a 10% cap hit or higher upon signing:

David Krejci (BOS)
Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
Vladimir Tarasenko (STL)
Alex Pietrangelo (STL)
Jordan Staal (CARL)
Brent Burns (SJS)
Erik Karlsson (SJS)
Logan Couture (SJS)*

Flawed logic to say we shouldn't sign UFAs based on this article.




* Contract kicks in on July 1st

What do all of those players have in common? None of them are group III free agent contracts. The Boston guys are Boston draft picks. The Blues guys are Blues draft picks. Staal signed that contract after being traded to Carolina. That's the 2nd contract signed by Burns in SJ. Karlsson signed his contract in Ottawa when he was 22. Couture was a Sharks draft pick and he has numerous extensions.

Pierre LeBrun wrote about this in The Athletic. Burns at $8M is the highest cap hit left in the playoffs. Burns is tied for the 21st highest cap hit.

The Rangers could have kept their guys and signed them but Gorton has traded them all away. That's hid philosophy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Rangers could have kept their guys and signed them but Gorton has traded them all away. That's hid philosophy.

Gorton traded them (Zuccarello, Hayes, McDonagh, Miller) away because none of them are on the level of the players listed above. McDonagh MAYBE. But that's even a question mark. McDonagh has had 1(!) great season in 2013-14 and everything else was a 2nd pair D-man in terms of his quality of hockey.

 

[SA16]

https://www.tsn.ca/video/final-four-nhl-teams-don-t-have-a-player-making-more-than-8-million~1682400

But quick, sign UFAs. That's how you build a winner.

And how about the past X Stanley cup winners? Because Washington and Pittsburgh sure did have players over 8M when they won. This was a terrible article that LeBrun first posted on the Athletic over the weekend.

Not to mention many of those contracts are artificially low due to being signed under the previous CBA for more than 8 years.

 

[kovazub94]

I don’t remember that at all. I do recall consistently saying Zibanejad is capable of being a first line center with 6o or even 70 point, if he can stay healthy.

In fact a quick search with Zibanejad and my name reveals a history of talking about his talent level when others were unsure.

Also found that this post from March 23, 2018. I believe it’s on page 14 of the search results:

“I'd love to see him have that 82 game stretch where he has linemates he clicks with, where he's healthy, and a coach/system that exploits his best attributes.

Obviously, I know it's unreasonable to expect this kind of play every game. But I truly believe Zibanejad has 30 goal/70 point potential.”

But I’m intrigued and would be curious to see what you’re referencing.

I will try to find it though I never used this functionality on this site. I’m getting older but not old enough for my memory to betray me just yet.

 

[apoptygma]

The moral of the story is to pay your players on long term contracts as soon as you have identified them as part of your core. It will make a great difference if you try to build a contender for a decade.
TML are in cap hell now, if Marner get the same contract as Matthews it will be even worse in 5 years. Buch should get a long term contract now, Kravtsov, Chytil, Andersson, Howden and Kappo might get one after their ELC. When theyaare done with their ELC we should have the space to do it with no problems. It might be a bit tight the first 2 years if we want to dip into the UFA pool, but hopefully we will end up with a cap structure close to what the Bruins have today.

Its to soon for DeAngelo and Lemioux, we don't know yet for sure what we have in them.

 

[ETTER DE]

https://www.tsn.ca/video/final-four-nhl-teams-don-t-have-a-player-making-more-than-8-million~1682400

But quick, sign UFAs. That's how you build a winner.

All the four teams left have canadian head coaches - quick fire Quinn

 

[LORDE]

The moral of the story is to pay your players on long term contracts as soon as you have identified them as part of your core. It will make a great difference if you try to build a contender for a decade.
TML are in cap hell now, if Marner get the same contract as Matthews it will be even worse in 5 years. Buch should get a long term contract now, Kravtsov, Chytil, Andersson, Howden and Kappo might get one after their ELC. When theyaare done with their ELC we should have the space to do it with no problems. It might be a bit tight the first 2 years if we want to dip into the UFA pool, but hopefully we will end up with a cap structure close to what the Bruins have today.

Its to soon for DeAngelo and Lemioux, we don't know yet for sure what we have in them.

That isn't the moral of the story. The moral is to do that IF they are worth it. Were Girardi, Staal, Hank and Step part of the core? Yes. Who was worth their contract of that group? Hank and that's it and there are many on here that would say not even him.

Burns can be the highest paid guy left... he's worth it. But had we given contracts to Dubi, Cally and McD... JUST because they were core members we'd more f***ed than we are right now.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The moral of the story is to pay your players on long term contracts as soon as you have identified them as part of your core. It will make a great difference if you try to build a contender for a decade.
TML are in cap hell now, if Marner get the same contract as Matthews it will be even worse in 5 years. Buch should get a long term contract now, Kravtsov, Chytil, Andersson, Howden and Kappo might get one after their ELC. When theyaare done with their ELC we should have the space to do it with no problems. It might be a bit tight the first 2 years if we want to dip into the UFA pool, but hopefully we will end up with a cap structure close to what the Bruins have today.

Its to soon for DeAngelo and Lemioux, we don't know yet for sure what we have in them.

So now we are using 1(!) post-season to make an argument. Great. Why don't we sign a 35-year old journeyman to be in net and get rid of Shestyorkin and Georgiev, since McElhinney got Carolina there so others can do as well.

When looking at the current teams in the conference finals, it clearly means we should trade away our 1st round picks for immediate help because Boston, San Jose and St Louis did that. It's clearly the key to success.

Or is that different?