haohmaru
boomshakalaka
I don't think so, but you never know. He's had a few "Likes"
Maybe from his alter-ego?
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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Staal is here either way. That's a vet LHD who is going to get minutes, regardless. And Hajek and Lindgren both look ready to me; the former in particular looked every bit the part of a top 4, 2-way D in the games he was able to play over the second half of the year. One man's opinion, but I don't think he'll be that far off from what Skjei could provide.
Moreover, the left side is LOADED throughout the system. It's by far the team's position of deepest strength among skaters. Shit, we have so many bodies there, we're having difficulty getting Rykov to come over, despite the fact that tight-lipped Gorts is on record saying he wants to sign him this offseason. (And BTW, freeing Skjei's spot on the NHL roster would probably help in that endeavor.)
Last year, we played most of our games with:
Staal-Pionk
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Smith/Claesson-McQuaid/TDA
How is that any better than
Staal-Trouba
Hajek-Fox/Pionk/ADA/Shattenkirk
Smith/Lindgren/(Rykov?)-Fox/Pionk/ADA/Shattenkirk
?
By no means am I arguing that's a winning D-corps, but I'd argue the latter three pairs are better on their face. And if you look at who's coming up next year/the year after, it certainly positions us better for the future. (Especially when you factor in that a veteran bottom 4 LHD is one of the easier pieces to acquire if need be...)
For the record, I'd be good giving Trouba 7MM for 7. If we can sign him for that little, I think in only a year or two's time it'll be a bargain.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Staal is here either way. That's a vet LHD who is going to get minutes, regardless. And Hajek and Lindgren both look ready to me; the former in particular looked every bit the part of a top 4, 2-way D in the games he was able to play over the second half of the year. One man's opinion, but I don't think he'll be that far off from what Skjei could provide.
Moreover, the left side is LOADED throughout the system. It's by far the team's position of deepest strength among skaters. ****, we have so many bodies there, we're having difficulty getting Rykov to come over, despite the fact that tight-lipped Gorts is on record saying he wants to sign him this offseason. (And BTW, freeing Skjei's spot on the NHL roster would probably help in that endeavor.)
Last year, we played most of our games with:
Staal-Pionk
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Smith/Claesson-McQuaid/TDA
How is that any better than
Staal-Trouba
Hajek-Fox/Pionk/ADA/Shattenkirk
Smith/Lindgren/(Rykov?)-Fox/Pionk/ADA/Shattenkirk
?
By no means am I arguing that's a winning D-corps, but I'd argue the latter three pairs are better on their face. And if you look at who's coming up next year/the year after, it certainly positions us better for the future. (Especially when you factor in that a veteran bottom 4 LHD is one of the easier pieces to acquire if need be...)
For the record, I'd be good giving Trouba 7MM for 7. If we can sign him for that little, I think in only a year or two's time it'll be a bargain.
Yikes. Staal with Trouba will be like attaching an industrial fridge to a motorcyle.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Some of us might, you know, be hopeful that the team is competitive next year. Not all of us are looking forward to a bottom 6 finish again.
Crazy talk, I know.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Love that image.
And if that's the case, then it's on Quinn to recognize the problem and bump Staal down off the first pair. Would love to see Hajek-Trouba.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I'm not sure it's a matter of how Staal plays, so much as the fact that someone has to play with him, someone has to play behind, and most likely someone will have to take over for him when that becomes the tire fire it likely will be.
So in isolation, maybe. But when looking at the bigger picture, yeah, there's some risk and concern there.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Love that image.
And if that's the case, then it's on Quinn to recognize the problem and bump Staal down off the first pair. Would love to see Hajek-Trouba.
And thus we get back to potentially moving a kid not because it's the right thing to do, but because we "have" to.
That has me a bit uneasy. Especially for a 21 year old kid who looked good, but not first pairing good in the AHL, and played a total of 5 NHL games before getting hurt.
LaffyTaffy
Brooklyn-Belarussian
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I'm not looking forward to it either (though there is a lot to look forward to in 19-20 no matter what), but if you expect this team to make moves with their sights set on being competitive next season, you're deluding yourself. Any move this team makes is going to be about 20-21 and beyond. Maybe even 21-22. Even moves that might improve this team next year aren't about next year.
In that sense, it doesn't matter what quality of player you get out of Staal. Just like it also doesn't matter where the team finishes in the standings. If somehow they happen to be competitive next season, great. If they end up with another strong shot at a lottery pick, great. The possible results next year shouldn't come into thinking about what to do with the roster.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
effen
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The cap is the cap. They might have to. What they definitely don't have to do is downgrade to save a piddling amount of money.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Okay, but if we get to the "have to" moves (in this case, because we "have to" move Hajek back down to protect his development), you can just as easily keep the refrigerator with the motorcycle. Or put Smith there. Or Claesson if we keep him. Or some vet, depth signing.
Absolutely not what you want to see if you're a team with Cup aspirations – but just fine for the second (full) year of the rebuild while we wait for our kids to develop.
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Tawnos
A guy with a bass
It's close to $3m that they'd be saving, because Trouba is going to get around $8m.
So in terms of overall roster construction, which would be better for the Jets... Trouba @ $8m or Skjei @ $5.25m and Myers @ $4m? The answer isn't so easy in that sense. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's certainly debatable.
NYR Viper
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In fairness, it’s easier to find a LD and the organization has Hajek, Lindberg and Rykov as older prospects along with Staal and Smith around for another year or two. I’m fine filling the more difficult top-4 RD spot in lieu of the top-4 LD spot Skjei holds
effen
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From a quick glance they have $24M for Trouba/Myers/Laine extension/Connor extension/4 other roster forwards/ 1 or 2 other roster D
Can't fit that many clowns in the car. Regardless they can do a lot better IMO than Skjei on his contract.
NYR Viper
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Adam McQuaid and Neil Pionk we’re top-pairing RD’s for this team this season. I’m not concerned with losing Skjei to upgrade that right side.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
We'll see. I'm intrigued by what's going to, or not going to, happen this summer.
Carolina has seven players that are 23 and under playing in the playoffs right now. Nobody predicted they'd be here either. I realize their core "D" is something that we can only be jealous of but it's still interesting how dramatic a turn youth being served has taken.
I'm really curious how much of the youth sticks to the roster next season - Kakko/Hughes, Fox, Kravstov, Andersson, Chytil, etc...
It in itself has no impact on my view of Skjei, but for those really down of him it should serve as a reminder of that things turn fast for a defender in hockey. The marginals are really small. Skjei is out there playing a ton for the US and has been their best D overall lately, at least against the Finns.
It takes time for most Ds to establish themself. Skjei is just entering the age when Ds reach their prime. He didn't enter that phase 1 or 2 years ago, its now he is getting to that age. Playing D for a crappy team is if not impossible really hard. The extent that you are pressured just multiplies. Who knows how Skjei will fair with increased pressure -- but I don't at all think its unlikely that he will get back on track and that he could again look really natural and steady on the ice.
Skjei isn't your ideal leader on the blueline, but he could definitely do really well playing important minutes in a big role. Labels are less important, today you must be happy if you can get that.
NYR Viper
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The issues is that:
1) they want to re-sign Myers
2) with Myers they have way too much money on RD
3) Trouba has not been happy in WPG and has trade value
Beacon
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I'd wait until Hajek, Rykov or K'Andre (or a lesser prospect like Lindgren, Rag, Gross or Craw) establish themselves as 2LD before we trade Skjei unless we get a slam dunk upgrade in value. Without Skjei, we have Staal, Claesson and a rookie who may or may not be ready on the LD.
He has been impressive, didn't play much against the Finns. Skjei was double shifted. The US needed a win in that game, they mostly rolled 5 Ds.
If there is anyone I am unimpressed with its Quinton Hughes. He accomplish very little on the ice. Skates pretty with the puck, and accomplish nothing.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
At the end of the day I'm not as worried about the Smith's or the Staal's sucking, or this team's record next season, so much as the idea that someone is going to have to be paired with them, or someone might be pushed into situations sooner than they should.
Like I said, doable. But concerning.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
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