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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
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Staal is here either way. That's a vet LHD who is going to get minutes, regardless. And Hajek and Lindgren both look ready to me; the former in particular looked every bit the part of a top 4, 2-way D in the games he was able to play over the second half of the year. One man's opinion, but I don't think he'll be that far off from what Skjei could provide.

Moreover, the left side is LOADED throughout the system. It's by far the team's position of deepest strength among skaters. ****, we have so many bodies there, we're having difficulty getting Rykov to come over, despite the fact that tight-lipped Gorts is on record saying he wants to sign him this offseason. (And BTW, freeing Skjei's spot on the NHL roster would probably help in that endeavor.)

Last year, we played most of our games with:

Staal-Pionk
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Smith/Claesson-McQuaid/TDA

How is that any better than

Staal-Trouba
Hajek-Fox/Pionk/ADA/Shattenkirk
Smith/Lindgren/(Rykov?)-Fox/Pionk/ADA/Shattenkirk

?

By no means am I arguing that's a winning D-corps, but I'd argue the latter three pairs are better on their face. And if you look at who's coming up next year/the year after, it certainly positions us better for the future. (Especially when you factor in that a veteran bottom 4 LHD is one of the easier pieces to acquire if need be...)



For the record, I'd be good giving Trouba 7MM for 7. If we can sign him for that little, I think in only a year or two's time it'll be a bargain.
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More than likely, ADA plays with Staal. Fox, if he makes the team, gets sheltered minutes on the bottom pairing until he shows he can handle more. Hajek likely needs a steady vet.

Staal-ADA
Hajek-Trouba
Smith/Lindgren-Fox/Shattenkirk/Pionk
 
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haohmaru said:
We'll see. I'm intrigued by what's going to, or not going to, happen this summer.

Carolina has seven players that are 23 and under playing in the playoffs right now. Nobody predicted they'd be here either. I realize their core "D" is something that we can only be jealous of but it's still interesting how dramatic a turn youth being served has taken.

I'm really curious how much of the youth sticks to the roster next season - Kakko/Hughes, Fox, Kravstov, Andersson, Chytil, etc...
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People have been predicting that the Canes would get to the playoffs for a few years now.
 
And I freely admit (and it's been beaten to death) that I'm not entirely sold on Trouba's impact on our defense. So there is that component for me.

Now I don't have a problem trading Skjei for him per se, but I see a scenario where we are assuming a lot and hoping for outcomes that I see as being fairly unlikely at present time.
 
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Edge said:
At the end of the day I'm not as worried about the Smith's or the Staal's sucking, or this team's record next season, so much as the idea that someone is going to have to be paired with them, or someone might be pushed into situations sooner than they should.

Like I said, doable. But concerning.
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DeAngelo did an impressive job despite being paired with Staal. I'd almost expect that to be the one guaranteed defensive pairing to start the year.
 
Edge said:
And I freely admit (and it's been beaten to death) that I'm not entirely sold on Trouba's impact on our defense. So there is that component for me.

Now I don't have a problem trading Skjei for him per se, but I see a scenario where we are assuming a lot and hoping for outcomes that I see as being fairly unlikely at present time.
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Like Trouba being the 1RD he's already proven to be?

Yeah, lots of hoping for outcomes that are unlikely. :sarcasm:
 
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Tawnos said:
I thought we were talking about being competitive.
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We were - but I did specifically say that nobody predicted Carolina to be HERE (implying right now) with their roster.

I'd have to go back and check the "experts" and their pre season predictions but I'd wager that half of them had the 'Canes missing the playoffs.

But, yes, the larger point here isn't really that I think they'll be in a playoff spot this season but I think they'll be in the hunt for a while and be a competitive team. I think they were actually surprisingly more competitive than I thought they'd be last year for the most part.

A lot depends on development and what Gorton has up his sleeve for this summer.
 
haohmaru said:
We were - but I did specifically say that nobody predicted Carolina to be HERE (implying right now) with their roster.

I'd have to go back and check the "experts" and their pre season predictions but I'd wager that half of them had the 'Canes missing the playoffs.

But, yes, the larger point here isn't really that I think they'll be in a playoff spot this season but I think they'll be in the hunt for a while and be a competitive team. I think they were actually surprisingly more competitive than I thought they'd be last year for the most part.

A lot depends on development and what Gorton has up his sleeve for this summer.
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The Hurricanes didn't go from bottom feeder, in the sense of having a bad roster, to competitive and in the playoffs though. They went from underachievers to achievers. A lot of people had them being at least a bubble team, if not making the playoffs. They're in this situation after changing their coach, making two big hockey trades, and bringing in some veteran leadership.
 
jas said:
More than likely, ADA plays with Staal. Fox, if he makes the team, gets sheltered minutes on the bottom pairing until he shows he can handle more. Hajek likely needs a steady vet.

Staal-ADA
Hajek-Trouba
Smith/Lindgren-Fox/Shattenkirk/Pionk
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Works for me. :thumbu:

At the end of the day, I'm not that concerned about the actual pairings. I trust Quinn to figure them out. What I'm looking at is the asset allocation and the building of an eventual (like '20-'21 or '21-'22) solid D-corps.
 
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Tawnos said:
The Hurricanes didn't go from bottom feeder, in the sense of having a bad roster, to competitive and in the playoffs though. They went from underachievers to achievers. A lot of people had them being at least a bubble team, if not making the playoffs. They're in this situation after changing their coach, making two big hockey trades, and bringing in some veteran leadership.
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A lot of it is finally getting a goaltender who could be at least average
 
NYR Viper said:
Just theoretically, would you have a similar concern trading for a player like Zibanejad?
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Trading assets for and having to sign the type of deal Zibanehad would be looking at if we had to sign him today (and not when we signed him)? Yeah, I probably would have some concern.

But in the same conversation, it is worth pointing out that I already provided numbers comparing Zibanejad to Trouba, and there's a good gap there as well.
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
A lot of it is finally getting a goaltender who could be at least average
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They allowed around the same number of goals they did in the other years they were supposed to make it, aside from last year, but their offense jumped and they had a positive goal differential for the first time with this core.
 
Edge said:
Trading assets for and having to sign the type of deal Zibanehad would be looking at if we had to sign him today (and now when we signed him)? Yeah, I probably would have some concern.

But in the same conversation, it is worth pointing out that I already provided numbers comparing Zibanejad to Trouba, and there's a good gap there as well.
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I missed that comparison, sorry about that. Lots of threads
 
NYR Viper said:
I missed that comparison, sorry about that. Lots of threads
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In a nutshell:
  • Since becoming a full time player Zibanejad has one season where he played less than 70 games, while Trouba has four seasons where he didn't eclipse 65 games.
  • Since becoming an NHL regular during the 2013-14 season, Zibanejad has missed approximately 39 games due to injury, Trouba has missed more than double that amount - about 83.
  • Of the 39 games Z has missed due to injury, 2/3 of them came in one season. Trouba has missed significant time in multiple and consecutive years.
 
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Panarin and Bob are vacationing together in Miami before they go back to mother Russia.

The two became close when Panarin was traded to Columbus from Chicago in 2017, and they have vacationed together with their partners several times both in Florida and in Europe.

Bobrovsky said he gets how people may link them together as they both move toward free agency and, most likely, a departure from Columbus.

“We have spent a lot of time together, our girls have become close,” Bobrovsky said. “They spend so much time together when we are away, so it is nice to have this sort of a close relationship between us all. It is fun, for sure. It’s cool. And it’s interesting.”

Indeed it is.

Stay tuned.
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Go Panthers.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Adam McQuaid and Neil Pionk we’re top-pairing RD’s for this team this season. I’m not concerned with losing Skjei to upgrade that right side.
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It will be A LOT easier for anyone at LD to take on the first pair assignments paired with Trouba than what happened to our righty defensemen since McD trade - taking on first pair responsibilities without support of a true 1LD.
 
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Edge said:
In a nutshell:
  • Since becoming a full time player Zibanejad has one season where he played less than 70 games, while Trouba has four seasons where he didn't eclipse 65 games.
  • Since becoming an NHL regular during the 2013-14 season, Zibanejad has missed approximately 39 games due to injury, Trouba has missed more than double that amount - about 83.
  • Of the 39 games Z has missed due to injury, 2/3 of them came in one season. Trouba has missed significant time in multiple and consecutive years
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Last offseason we had a bit of a discussion about Zibanejad in the context of 1C position. I tried an approach of projecting his performance / production when he was healthy while you refused to call Zibanejad anything more than a 50-point center until proven otherwise. You're kind of being similarly conservative now with your assessment of Trouba. This is a position you're fully entitled too but IMHO it's OVERLY conservative in case of players in their mid-twenties.
 
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