Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

[Levitate]

And that's a hell of a lot to ask from two rookies --- no matter how talented they are.

well we could always see first pairing defenseman marc staal or brendan smith

 

[tradenashnow]

There is no way Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith can be on this roster from game 1. They either have to be dealt or bought out. All are useless at this point. If Gorton doesn't get rid of them then he's clueless.

 

[Tawnos]

Marc Staal played lots of first pairing in his rookie year when Malik was injured. I don't think it's as much to ask as it seems like it is on the surface for a rebuilding team.

 

[Tawnos]

There is no way Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith can be on this roster from game 1. They either have to be dealt or bought out. All are useless at this point. If Gorton doesn't get rid of them then he's clueless.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of Smith or Shattenkirk are gone this off-season.

I would be surprised if Staal is gone before his contract expires.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Boy does the left side look pretty abysmal in the aftermath of that type of move.

Is it that much worse than what we saw on the right side this past season until DeAngelo established himself? Is asking Hajek to play big minutes any more risky than asking Pionk to do it last year?

 

[Rongomania]

I wouldn't be surprised if one of Smith or Shattenkirk are gone this off-season.

I would be surprised if Staal is gone before his contract expires.

I hate saying it and I was loyal to Staal until the major decline, but did EDM, ARI or BUF have even one hardened actual vet who was a mainstay on the team and saw 4 different coaches, multiple playoff wins and losses, presidents trophy?

You need a guy like him, even if he’s the extra guy. Kreider is going to be gone, I would call Fast a vet now, Skjei, Ziba. And of course duh, hanky.

This is truly what will separate this rebuild, and I will bite the bullet on Staal another year or whatever just to have these kids grow up around guys who have been there and not sit in a locker room looking at just only other kids after losing game after game going “Uhhh, what’re we going to do here ?”

 

[Tawnos]

Is it that much worse than what we saw on the right side this past season until DeAngelo established himself? Is asking Hajek to play big minutes any more risky than asking Pionk to do it last year?

It isn't... but there are people who would say Pionk being asked to play that role was bad for his development. That remains to be seen.

 

[BBKers]

Staal can play out his contract. Smith & Fattenkirk, not so much

 

[Tawnos]

I hate saying it and I was loyal to Staal until the major decline, but did EDM, ARI or BUF have even one hardened actual vet who was a mainstay on the team and saw 3 different coaches, multiple playoff wins and losses, presidents trophy?

You need a guy like him, even if he’s the extra guy. Kreider is going to be gone, I would call Fast a vet now, Skjei, Ziba. And of course duh, hanky.

This is truly what will separate this rebuild, and I will bite the bullet on Staal another year or whatever just to have these kids grow up around guys who have been there and not sit in a locker room looking at just only other kids after losing game after game going “Uhhh, what’re we going to do here ?”

Having 1-2 vets who are solid locker room guys on the D is good for the rebuild long-term, as long as they're not here forever. 3 is definitely too many. I don't know that Smith and Shattenkirk qualify as that kind of player anyway, but Staal definitely does. Similar to how fundamental Drury was to the development of Dubinsky and Callahan, even if Drury himself was much less effective than he used to be.

 

[RangerBoy]

Chris Peter of ESPN is analyzing each team's prospects.

Rangers, Islanders and Flyers lead Metropolitan Division prospect systems

Fox hasn't looked out place at the WC but he hasn't stood out either. The Rangers want Fox to stand out. McDonagh spent the first 3 months of his pro hockey career in the AHL. Fox playing in the AHL won't hurt him. Unless he has a great training camp and is lights out in the pre-season games, let him play major minutes in the AHL. Even if he has a good week or month, let him play in the AHL. None of this Lias Andersson stuff from last season. Unless the Rangers suffer a few injuries on D, let Fox play 1/2 the season in the AHL. Hopefully, the AHL team will more competitive next season with Shesterkin. The 3rd in 2020 becomes a 2nd in 2020 if Fox plays 30 NHL games in 19-20. The Rangers should manipulate the 30 games unless Fox is terrific and can't get kept out of the Rangers lineup. They got him out of Harvard a year earlier and beginning his pro career sooner speeds up his timeline. Give Carolina a 3rd in 2020. f*** Don Waddell.

Keep Shattenkirk. Good luck finding a taker. Taking back a worse contract isn't the answer. Re-sign Pionk and ADA. Fox gets his AHL development time.

 

[Edge]

Marc Staal played lots of first pairing in his rookie year when Malik was injured. I don't think it's as much to ask as it seems like it is on the surface for a rebuilding team.

I feel like there was more of an overall support system in place at that time, including a Tyutin on the left side, and the fact that were able to ask Staal to step into that role rather than asking from day one.

It's doable, but not ideal.

 

[Edge]

Is it that much worse than what we saw on the right side this past season until DeAngelo established himself? Is asking Hajek to play big minutes any more risky than asking Pionk to do it last year?

Maybe, maybe not. ADA and Pionk were also a bit older last year and weren't necessarily being asked to be the number one guy on the right side.

 

[Tawnos]

I feel like there was more of an overall support system in place at that time, including a Tyutin on the left side, and the fact that were able to ask Staal to step into that role rather than asking from day one.

It's doable, but not ideal.

Staal is a pretty large part of a support system and Trouba would be better than anything that team had on the right.

I'm in no hurry to move Skjei, but concerns about the left side if he did get moved isn't the reason why. I view him as potentially being part of the solution.

 

[Rongomania]

Y

Having 1-2 vets who are solid locker room guys on the D is good for the rebuild long-term, as long as they're not here forever. 3 is definitely too many. I don't know that Smith and Shattenkirk qualify as that kind of player anyway, but Staal definitely does. Similar to how fundamental Drury was to the development of Dubinsky and Callahan, even if Drury himself was much less effective than he used to be.

Absolutely agree. Shatty & Smith (to a lesser degree for me, because we lost a playoff series by NOT playing him more, but ugh yeah he gotta go).

The Drury situation was such a **** situation, I was so excited the day we signed them and then watching them bomb with a fire Jags was brutal and def set us back. Yes though, he definitely was part of the insulation for those kids.

This team is going to be a different animal - young & prime Dubi & Cally wouldn’t even crack the second line on what we’re on track for here.

We also have absolutely zero clue what this lineup will look like in a month and a half let alone October.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

There is no way Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith can be on this roster from game 1. They either have to be dealt or bought out. All are useless at this point. If Gorton doesn't get rid of them then he's clueless.

Are you serious right now? About 6 months ago you were trying to convince the world that Staal is good and that we're all clueless.

With Staal playing well

Staal had a very good season. Honestly, you can't listen to any Rangers fan about their defenseman. If a Rangers defenseman has one or two turnovers, according to the Rangers fan base he sucks. Staal was tied for the highest plus on the team last year at plus 11. That with a team that quit on their coach and his moronic defensive system. Staal can still play

Because your defense sucks badly. Have you actually looked at your defenseman? They aren't good. A solid vet like Staal at 2.85 will improve your defense a lot.

DeAngelo has taken over Buchnevich's spot for the love child of this board. As usual, Staal is the whipping boy no matter how well he is playing.

If you want to do Namestnikov or Spooner along with Staal for Saad. Then fine. Big contracts switch. Staal played well last year. He's still solid. Not sure what happened to Saad but you aren't dumping his salary without taking one back.

You're all over the place dude. How can anyone take your opinion seriously is beyond me.

 

[JimmyG89]

Can't really move Skjei at this point. At least not for another year. You're looking at needing to see something from Hajek/Lindgren that says they can play those type of minutes defensively because in 2 years you are looking at a clear left side. The entire thing would be empty from the current roster. Now, the LHD we have that are under NHL deals isn't good, but we aren't thrusting someone into that spot they cannot handle.

If we are exploring trading Skjei, it may sound strange, but we need to explore adding a LHD at the NHL level that can play minutes, but we are not tied into. This would exclude Claesson. He isn't someone to handle the load the Skjei can carry. A nice reclamation project. Someone who is non-tendered.

I don't see how we can go into next season with Staal/Smith/rookie/Claesson on the left side. You're asking whoever that rookie is to take on a fairly large role on the team. Staal will crash and Smith will be a scratch at some point. Yes, it's good to have the minutes available, but we cannot thrust someone into that spot. Hajek might be able to do it.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Are you serious right now? About 6 months ago you were trying to convince the world that Staal is good and that we're all clueless.











You're all over the place dude. How can anyone take your opinion seriously is beyond me.

 

[NernieBichols]

Are you serious right now? About 6 months ago you were trying to convince the world that Staal is good and that we're all clueless.











You're all over the place dude. How can anyone take your opinion seriously is beyond me.

He probably forgot he was pro-staal as tradenashnow and anti-staal as wenevergetagoodcoach.

Know what I’m saying

 

[Edge]

Staal is a pretty large part of a support system and Trouba would be better than anything that team had on the right.

I'm in no hurry to move Skjei, but concerns about the left side if he did get moved isn't the reason why. I view him as potentially being part of the solution.

I agree, it's just a matter of when and for whom.

Is that move more immediate and for Trouba? Not entirely sure.

But I feel like I want to have a better read on Hajek and company before I throw them into the deep end, or raise the expectations for Staal at this point.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He probably forgot he was pro-staal as tradenashnow and anti-staal as wenevergetagoodcoach.

Know what I’m saying

LMAO

 

[Thirty One]

You're all over the place dude. How can anyone take your opinion seriously is beyond me.

Does anyone?

 

[BPD]

I agree, it's just a matter of when and for whom.

Is that move more immediate and for Trouba? Not entirely sure.

But I feel like I want to have a better read on Hajek and company before I throw them into the deep end, or raise the expectations for Staal at this point.

I think the expectation around Staal and a lot of these kids has to be balance.

We can't expect any of them to be a #1 workhorse guy, but it's completely fair to ask for all of them to play as #4s with roles to play.

 

[Tawnos]

I agree, it's just a matter of when and for whom.

Is that move more immediate and for Trouba? Not entirely sure.

But I feel like I want to have a better read on Hajek and company before I throw them into the deep end, or raise the expectations for Staal at this point.

My only thing is that the only RD in the system that might be a capable PKer down the road is Lundkvist. Maybe we draft someone this year, but as it stands, I have a feeling that we are going to be hard-up for a PKing RD when we get back to competitiveness. We could potentially nip that in the bud now, meanwhile the defensive capabilities of the future on the left side looks brighter.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Does anyone?

I don't think so, but you never know. He's had a few "Likes"

Maybe from his alter-ego?

 

[haohmaru]

I agree, it's just a matter of when and for whom.

Is that move more immediate and for Trouba? Not entirely sure.

But I feel like I want to have a better read on Hajek and company before I throw them into the deep end, or raise the expectations for Staal at this point.

Raising expectations for Staal is like praying the Titanic really missed the iceberg.

I like the guy, and his Rangers career, but he's not getting any better and we'll be lucky if he treads water at this point.