Edge
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The timing is what it is man.
If we want to say 84 months that fine too. That still works out to a guy who is never available being available every other year.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII
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The timing is what it is man.
If we want to say 84 months that fine too. That still works out to a guy who is never available being available every other year.
Ghost of jas
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I'm kind of hoping we're in the process of drafting "those type of players that never reach free agency".
DanielBrassard
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Tawnos
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Just because there might be other players available in the future doesn't mean those players will sign with the Rangers.
Edge
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Panarin is 27, not 26. At the time of his next contract signing, he will be 27 years and 8 months. Tavares was 27 years and 10 months.
Tavares was also playing for the Islanders and not the Jackets of the past few years. That's a wash for me, nor does it erase the fact that the same arguments were being made for him and Karlsson.
And that's part of the point. The next guy is often the guy who doesn't come around often, and the guys we said that before don't count once said new guy comes around.
I've already outlined why I am against the move, so I won't bore anyone with that again.
As for the contract, I'd have to know the details. And even at $1.5 million discount, there's still a number of other factors I've not terribly at peace with.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
You're right. We'll just have to see what happens. But none of that changes the original point.
SA16
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Honestly the difference between 9.5 and 11 is negligible because you know they and most teams would just use the extra 1.5M to extend/re-sign 4th liners who don’t matter. Like how the penguins used their 1.2M savings on Kessel to sign Eric Fehr who they then waived a year later
Tawnos
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The point people are trying to make when they say that these players don't come available, whether that fact is true or not, is that you sign a player like that when you have the opportunity to. So, while there might be a dispute over how often these players become available, that whole conversation bypasses the root point being made.
Ghost of jas
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Personally, I'm perfectly fine if that ends up being the case. The reason the Rangers had to pursue free agents in the past runs is because, they did a good job drafting and developing 2nd tier talent, but never getting a chance at the top tier. (Or when they did, they either whiffed - see 2003 and 2010, or fate stepped in - see 2007.) Given the amount of chances that Gorton has given himself in this current run, he's getting ample opportunities to draft those type of players. So, if Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Miller, Fox and this year's and next's 1sts become those type of players, then the need to pursue "those type of players" shouldn't really be there.
SA16
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Yes. While there have been 3 under the current CBA (Tavares Panarin Karlsson) in reality for the Rangers it was 2 since Tavares said he would not sign here. There is a difference in being available for the league and for the rangers
I hope for another good draft year while talents develop and happy if we get another chance with the lottery pick in the 2020 draft, because it will take years to fix our current defensive structure as long Kevin & Staal are contracted here, and Pionk. Kreider might be gone at the draft day if Gorton is aiming for another center this summer, and it`s close in value reasons with both Buffalo & Oilers concerning their 2019 1st pick.
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DutchShamrock
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They have to clear cap space if they want to sign Bob and Panarin.
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So why is anyone giving $11×7 to a guy who won't raise them in the standings? Do 2 guys at $5.5 improve the team? Then why is $11 thrown away.
If there's no difference in the standings between playing Panarin/Tavares and playing Lettieri, then why pay an extra $10 and tie yourself into a 7 year term?
Calad
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Because I expect him to be an elite player through his contract, and unlike what you keep implying, his importance to the team would go well beyond next season.
Mats Zuccarello 'fit like a glove' in Dallas, but will the Stars re-sign the unrestricted free agent?
"I think he was a big part of our success," Nill said. "We'd like to keep him here. We'll have to move forward and see what we can do."
"This is my team right now," Zuccarello said. "We'll see what's going on. Obviously, I'm the kind of guy that when someone believes in you, I usually like that."
"Coach Jim Montgomery saw enough of Zuccarello to want him back, although he deflected a question about lobbying Nill. "I think Jim will do what's best for the Dallas Stars," Montgomery said. "I've already told Zuc that I'd like to have him back. He knows."
"I think he was a big part of our success," Nill said. "We'd like to keep him here. We'll have to move forward and see what we can do."
"This is my team right now," Zuccarello said. "We'll see what's going on. Obviously, I'm the kind of guy that when someone believes in you, I usually like that."
"Coach Jim Montgomery saw enough of Zuccarello to want him back, although he deflected a question about lobbying Nill. "I think Jim will do what's best for the Dallas Stars," Montgomery said. "I've already told Zuc that I'd like to have him back. He knows."
Ghost of jas
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I myself would like to avoid the prior pitfalls of pursuing big contract UFAs. You know, draft and build a core of high talent and then fill in around it...sort of what we’ve discussed on this site for the past two decades.
Really only sought after UFA piece is Breadman. Not interested in anyone else. No other UFAs or future UFAs in the next year or so are as talented and hitting their peak as much as this guy right now. Even if we hit a new low next year with no high roller piece, that’s fine. Continue to build the empire. Can’t explain how much I think we should add this very threatening piece, but altogether I want nothing to do with any additional future UFAs for a while - we can pay our core guys when they perform. Why can’t a 28 year old 80+ point player be a part of the plan or solution? Is he applying for Medicare in 5 years or something?
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SA16
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At no point in my post did I say the kids will be putting up 50+ points. I also did not say that we will compete with that roster. The moves make sense because they improve our 1RD, they free up cap space to sign a winger that is better than Kreider, and they put us in a good position to improve. Kakko, Chytil, Lias, Howden and probably Kravtsov will be on this lineup regardless of what you think. It wouldnt make sense to put them all on one line, and as someone mentioned before it wouldnt make sense to put Panarin and Zib together because they are both line drivers. Not a single one of our kids is remotely close to their ceiling, except arguably Zibby is getting close. There not reason to be a condescending asshole just because you do not agree. By all means disagree with me, but dont assume im making claims that I am not. And quite frankly, accusing me of not having a grasp is ridiculously ironic given half the content on these boards.
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