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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

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RangerBoy said:
Would the Panthers be a fit for Kevin Shattenkirk?

George Richards covers the Panthers for The Athletic. He wrote this yesterday.



Hoffman has a $5,187,500 cap hit. $5,650,000 salary.

Pysyk has a $2,733,333 cap hit. $3,500,000 salary.

Shattenkirk has a $6,650,000 cap hit. His salary is $6,600,000 this coming season and $4,000,000 in the last season of his contract.

Colton Sceviour has two more years left. $1,200,000 cap and salary in each year.

The Rangers match up money with Hoffman and Sceviour for Shattenkirk. Florida would be adding cap money and salary in the second year of Shattenkirk’s contract. The extra salary would not be much in the second year.

The Rangers flip Hoffman in another deal this summer or trade him at the trading deadline.

Richards wrote about the Panthers and Panarin. He owns a home in Wynwood which is a hipster area in Miami. They are prepared to write a big check for Panarin.
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I could get behind this, especially if they move Kreider as Hoffman would be good insurance for half a year
 
Faceless said:
That's not how it works.

The player picked at 11-12 has a much higher % chance of panning out and becoming a quality NHL'r than #20.

Moreover, the 2 second rounders have less than a 50% chance of even MAKING the NHL, let alone becoming quality players.

No team should be so stupid as to do that trade. And if they are, we should jump on it.
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So you have 2 players with less than 50%, then you have at 20 someone somewhat less likely to pan out than the one at 12. This is more than fair exchange especially if a team at 12 is not in love with any player available at 12.
 
Ola said:
Yeah that is the theory.

Its the same with out 2nd overall pick, an offer of 4 and 16 isn't bad at all for the 2. I still w0uldn't bet on Gorton making the trade, not because say Turcotte and say Seider in theory should have less value than Kakko, but because you often you just want the best kid.

I think you need to be lucky and find a GM that doesn't like what is available in a range a pick is. You know, a GM feeling like we got the 15th pick and lets pray to god that either X, Y or Z will be available there -- and X, Y and Z are drifted 13, 14 and 15...
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2nd overall is a bit different depending on the draft of course. If a real potential superstar is available at 2 you can't trade down unless you get a huge return.
 
RangerBoy said:
Would the Panthers be a fit for Kevin Shattenkirk?

George Richards covers the Panthers for The Athletic. He wrote this yesterday.



Hoffman has a $5,187,500 cap hit. $5,650,000 salary.

Pysyk has a $2,733,333 cap hit. $3,500,000 salary.

Shattenkirk has a $6,650,000 cap hit. His salary is $6,600,000 this coming season and $4,000,000 in the last season of his contract.

Colton Sceviour has two more years left. $1,200,000 cap and salary in each year.

The Rangers match up money with Hoffman and Sceviour for Shattenkirk. Florida would be adding cap money and salary in the second year of Shattenkirk’s contract. The extra salary would not be much in the second year.

The Rangers flip Hoffman in another deal this summer or trade him at the trading deadline.

Richards wrote about the Panthers and Panarin. He owns a home in Wynwood which is a hipster area in Miami. They are prepared to write a big check for Panarin.
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Well Shattenkirk does play a little defense.
 
Leetch3 said:
actually they are...unless you think with tavares we still would have been the 6th worst team in the league to win the lottery. in which case why would you sign him
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That’s not known and I didn’t want Tavares. You can speculate that that’s true but barring him actually being here and the season running it’s course you really don’t know. Unlikely? Sure.
 
Raspewtin said:
may I ask why Florida is in a rush to get rid of one of their best wingers in Hoffman for a defenseman most of this board would have you convinced is a washed up traffic cone?
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Well the belief, and this is based on widespread reporting, Florida is motivated to move Hoffman. It could be fair to wonder why they would be eager to add Shattenkirk.

But its important to remember that the people trashing Shattenkirk aren't necessarily the same people speculating about this trade. I would also note that Florida did quite well in repurposing Yandle after his misuse here. Teams tend to revisit the same fishing grounds over and over.
 
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Shattenkirk w 25% retained + Pionk + a pick for Subban at full. Does that tickle Poile’s pickle? Trade Kreider to Arizona/EDM for a 1st in 2020 and sign Panarin. Trade Vesey, Strome, Names.
Kakko - Zib - Buch
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Howden - Lias - Lemieux
Meskanen/Gettinger - Boo - Fast

Skjei - Subban
Hajek - Fox
Staal - Deangelo
Claesson - Smith
 
TheKingsCourt said:
Shattenkirk w 25% retained + Pionk + a pick for Subban at full. Does that tickle Poile’s pickle? Trade Kreider to Arizona/EDM for a 1st in 2020 and sign Panarin. Trade Vesey, Strome, Names.
Kakko - Zib - Buch
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Howden - Lias - Lemieux
Meskanen/Gettinger - Boo - Fast

Skjei - Subban
Hajek - Fox
Staal - Deangelo
Claesson - Smith
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:thumbd:
 
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Thirty One said:
No.
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A non-broken Shattenkirk (probably retained depending on their UFA signings) actually might be a good fit. They should be in "now" mode and their RD after Ekblad and Weegar is lacking.

A broken Shattenkirk is probably not a fit anywhere. And it feels like its 50-50 we'll ever see a healthy KS again.
 
RangerBoy said:
Would the Panthers be a fit for Kevin Shattenkirk?

George Richards covers the Panthers for The Athletic. He wrote this yesterday.



Hoffman has a $5,187,500 cap hit. $5,650,000 salary.

Pysyk has a $2,733,333 cap hit. $3,500,000 salary.

Shattenkirk has a $6,650,000 cap hit. His salary is $6,600,000 this coming season and $4,000,000 in the last season of his contract.

Colton Sceviour has two more years left. $1,200,000 cap and salary in each year.

The Rangers match up money with Hoffman and Sceviour for Shattenkirk. Florida would be adding cap money and salary in the second year of Shattenkirk’s contract. The extra salary would not be much in the second year.

The Rangers flip Hoffman in another deal this summer or trade him at the trading deadline.

Richards wrote about the Panthers and Panarin. He owns a home in Wynwood which is a hipster area in Miami. They are prepared to write a big check for Panarin.
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Probably not because he stated plays a little defense.:crossfing
 
Which 2Cs can we target? What can Vesey, Namestnikov and possibly Lias Andersson fetch us? Obviously Kreider is our biggest fish, but I do wonder if the three aforementioned players could net us a 2C.


Buyout Smith
 
Kaapo Feel said:
Which 2Cs can we target? What can Vesey, Namestnikov and possibly Lias Andersson fetch us? Obviously Kreider is our biggest fish, but I do wonder if the three aforementioned players could net us a 2C.


Buyout Smith
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People are going to think I'm crazy, but it would not surprise me in the least to see the Rangers sign Brock Nelson this off season. They liked him a lot in his draft year.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Well the belief, and this is based on widespread reporting, Florida is motivated to move Hoffman. It could be fair to wonder why they would be eager to add Shattenkirk.

But its important to remember that the people trashing Shattenkirk aren't necessarily the same people speculating about this trade. I would also note that Florida did quite well in repurposing Yandle after his misuse here. Teams tend to revisit the same fishing grounds over and over.
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but I want to know why Florida are eager to move one of their best wingers and an easy 55+ point player that just hit a career high in goals and points on a good contract? and, especially, why is Shattenkirk the piece of going the other way?
 
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