Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

[Kakko Schmakko]

He’s 25 and looked like he may be putting it together. Why would you not keep him???? This guy IMO if he keeps improving is a 60pt player in 2 years IF he keeps it up. I don’t see any reason currently why he can’t be a 45-50pt player next season. The kid has grit and skill. Might be a late bloomer.

yeah I am a lot more open to keeping him around, of the players I mentioned.

 

[darko]

We were the only team that knew for sure he would sign with us, all others were risking losing him for nothing.

We were the favorites but a lot can change in 12 months.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

It's amazing that people are still complaining about the rebuild AFTER landing Kakko/Hughes, Fox and another first round pick. Really fantastic stuff here the last few weeks.

 

[darko]

yes, but the trade should have been Dallas' 2nd rounder + Vesey, nobody would give them more for question mark Fox.

You don't know that. Why would they want Vesey?

 

[Irishguy42]

staal is not a buyout candidate this year...the cap hit is brutal and carries for too many years when we might need the space. next summer the buyout isn't that bad if we need to go that route

This is an odd thing to say, considering that Staal's buyout is not bad.

Comparing the two:

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD][/TD]
[TD]Buyout in '19[/TD][TD]Buyout in '20[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]19/20[/TD][TD]$2.9M[/TD][TD]---[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]20/21[/TD][TD]$3.7M[/TD][TD]$3,566,667[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]21/22[/TD][TD]$1.2M[/TD][TD]$1,066,667[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]22/23[/TD][TD]$1.2M[/TD][TD]---[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
So, the $2.9M in cap hit in 19/20 doesn't matter even if you bring in Panarin and give two of ADA/Buch/Pionk/Lemieux/Claesson long term deals and give the others QO's or bridges, you'll still have a few million left in space. The $1.2M in 22/23 won't matter either even with Kakko/Kravstov/Zibanejad get mega deals and Panarin is still on the roster; will still have a few million in space. The difference between cap hits in 20/21 and 21/22 is negligible at best.

And then someone will say "But Smith has the better buyout cap hit numbers!" Yes, this is true, in a vacuum they are easier on the eye.

However, look at it this way: What does it look like with buying out one and then adding that to the others non-buyout cap hit?

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD][/TD]
[TD]Staal AAV/Smith Buyout[/TD][TD]Staal buyout/Smith AAV[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]19/20[/TD][TD]$6.67M[/TD][TD]$7.25M[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]20/21[/TD][TD]$8.845M[/TD][TD]$8.05M[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
And then in 21/22 and 22/23, since both buyout numbers are equivalent ($1.145M to $1.2M), and the other will be off the roster, it's a wash. Smith is also just a better player than Staal in general, so it's pretty much more practical to buyout Staal.

The cap hit is nowhere near "brutal"

 

[darko]

It's amazing that people are complaining about the rebuild AFTER landing Kakko/Hughes, Fox and another first rounds pick. Really fantastic stuff here the last few weeks.

Gorts jeopardizing the rebuild.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Gorts jeopardizing the rebuild.

The ironic thing is, if people here had their way the team would have finished worse than they did and would have missed out on the 2nd pick.

 

[darko]

This is an odd thing to say, considering that Staal's buyout is not bad.

Comparing the two:

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD][/TD]
[TD]Buyout in '19[/TD][TD]Buyout in '20[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]19/20[/TD][TD]$2.9M[/TD][TD]---[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]20/21[/TD][TD]$3.7M[/TD][TD]$3,566,667[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]21/22[/TD][TD]$1.2M[/TD][TD]$1,066,667[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]22/23[/TD][TD]$1.2M[/TD][TD]---[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
So, the $2.9M in cap hit in 19/20 doesn't matter even if you bring in Panarin and give two of ADA/Buch/Pionk/Lemieux/Claesson long term deals and give the others QO's or bridges, you'll still have a few million left in space. The $1.2M in 22/23 won't matter either even with Kakko/Kravstov/Zibanejad get mega deals and Panarin is still on the roster; will still have a few million in space. The difference between cap hits in 20/21 and 21/22 is negligible at best.

And then someone will say "But Smith has the better buyout cap hit numbers!" Yes, this is true, in a vacuum they are easier on the eye.

However, look at it this way: What does it look like with buying out one and then adding that to the others non-buyout cap hit?

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD][/TD]
[TD]Staal AAV/Smith Buyout[/TD][TD]Staal buyout/Smith AAV[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]19/20[/TD][TD]$6.67M[/TD][TD]$7.25M[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]20/21[/TD][TD]$8.845M[/TD][TD]$8.05M[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
And then in 21/22 and 22/23, since both buyout numbers are equivalent ($1.145M to $1.2M), and the other will be off the roster, it's a wash. Smith is also just a better player than Staal in general, so it's pretty much more practical to buyout Staal.

The cap hit is nowhere near "brutal"

Just don't buy them out full stop. We aren't competing next 2 seasons anyways.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Just going to throw this out there for argument's sake:

Player A: 64GP, 0.91 P/60, 0.43 Primary points/60, 4.6 relCF%, 8.93 relGF%, 2.3 relxGF%, 11.45 iCF/60, 4.24 ixG, iSH% 3.88, 55.57 Zone starts rel, TOI% QoT 29.06 CF% QoT 45.19 ToI QoC 29.3 CF% QoC 50.16

Player B: 73GP, 0.91 P/60, 0.48 P1/60, 4.2 relCF%, 1.2 relGF%, 4.05 relxGF%, 11.45 iCF/60, 4.0 ixG, 0.93 iSH% ZSR 55.59, ToI% QoT 26.91, CF% QoT 45.22, TOI% Qoc 28.55, CF% QoC 49.52

Player C: 81 GP, 1.02 P/60, 0.73 P1/60, 1.06 relCF%, -7.4relGF%, -3.23 relxGF%, 10.65 iCF/60, 6.2iSH%, ZSR 55.58 28.88 TOI% QoT, 49.51 CF% QoT 29.06 ToI% QoC, 49.88 QoC CF%

Which of these is a buyout candidate? All numbers are 5v5 courtesy of corsica.hockey

 

[Leetch3]

yes, but the trade should have been Dallas' 2nd rounder + Vesey, nobody would give them more for question mark Fox.

you are a genius...i'm sure gorton never thought of offering less and negotiating and instead just walked in with his top offer

 

[Leetch3]

This is an odd thing to say, considering that Staal's buyout is not bad.

Comparing the two:

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD][/TD]
[TD]Buyout in '19[/TD][TD]Buyout in '20[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]19/20[/TD][TD]$2.9M[/TD][TD]---[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]20/21[/TD][TD]$3.7M[/TD][TD]$3,566,667[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]21/22[/TD][TD]$1.2M[/TD][TD]$1,066,667[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]22/23[/TD][TD]$1.2M[/TD][TD]---[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
So, the $2.9M in cap hit in 19/20 doesn't matter even if you bring in Panarin and give two of ADA/Buch/Pionk/Lemieux/Claesson long term deals and give the others QO's or bridges, you'll still have a few million left in space. The $1.2M in 22/23 won't matter either even with Kakko/Kravstov/Zibanejad get mega deals and Panarin is still on the roster; will still have a few million in space. The difference between cap hits in 20/21 and 21/22 is negligible at best.

And then someone will say "But Smith has the better buyout cap hit numbers!" Yes, this is true, in a vacuum they are easier on the eye.

However, look at it this way: What does it look like with buying out one and then adding that to the others non-buyout cap hit?

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD][/TD]
[TD]Staal AAV/Smith Buyout[/TD][TD]Staal buyout/Smith AAV[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]19/20[/TD][TD]$6.67M[/TD][TD]$7.25M[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]20/21[/TD][TD]$8.845M[/TD][TD]$8.05M[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
And then in 21/22 and 22/23, since both buyout numbers are equivalent ($1.145M to $1.2M), and the other will be off the roster, it's a wash. Smith is also just a better player than Staal in general, so it's pretty much more practical to buyout Staal.

The cap hit is nowhere near "brutal"

brutal might be the wrong word but I don't want dead cap space beyond 20-21 when we might be ready to spend $$. I'd rather stick him in the press box and ride out the final year if needed.

 

[Irishguy42]

brutal might be the wrong word but I don't want dead cap space beyond 20-21 when we might be ready to spend $$. I'd rather stick him in the press box and ride out the final year if needed.

Trust me, you can give Panarin a 7/77 deal and then in 2022/23, you can give Zibanejad/Kakko/Kravstov all 10M+ deals (assuming they all deserve it post current contracts) and you'll still have plenty of space to add Bottom 6 forwards to fill out the lineup with that buyout cap hit on the books.

The cap sheet is FINE that far out with the just over $1M in dead space from one of those deals for two years.

 

[kovazub94]

Once JD is announced as the president, I’m sure there immediately will be questions pertaining to Panarin. A small chance there will be a categorical response to give an insight one way or another because I’ve felt bad for this dead horse for awhile.

 

[Avery16]

Not that I thought there was ever any actual danger of Gorton valuing him, but for this thread’s sake: whew!

 

[McRanger]

Gorts jeopardizing the rebuild.

He is jeopardizing the rebuild by successfully completing it too quickly.

 

[Vitto79]

is Tyler Myers a bad idea ? 30 now

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

is Tyler Myers a bad idea ? 30 now

yes

 

[Leetch3]

Trust me, you can give Panarin a 7/77 deal and then in 2022/23, you can give Zibanejad/Kakko/Kravstov all 10M+ deals (assuming they all deserve it post current contracts) and you'll still have plenty of space to add Bottom 6 forwards to fill out the lineup with that buyout cap hit on the books.

The cap sheet is FINE that far out with the just over $1M in dead space from one of those deals for two years.

you are gonna spend $40+ mil on 4 players? How high do you think the cap is gonna be in a few years?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

yes, but the trade should have been Dallas' 2nd rounder + Vesey, nobody would give them more for question mark Fox.

You just assume Carolina would accept that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Loud. The podcast is primarily Rangers related, right? Maybe work something in announcing it's a Rangers podcast.

I wanted to avoid doing that. I wanted a name that is more neutral. To stand out. Every Rangers podcast either has something blue or Ranger in it. I didn't want to be just another Rangers podcast in name

I need to tweak the audio a bit to make sure the volume levels are more even

 

[NYR Viper]

So I'm looking at Alex Petrovic on hockey reference and I'm seeing a guy who hovers around 50% CF% and 50% FF% for most of his career and yet people say he is a horrible player. He had a rough year last year due to injuries but he's 26 years old, 6'4 and plays with an edge to his game that the team lacks on the back-end, all while being a RD.

Meanwhile, Marc Staal is hovering around ~42.5% CF% and 42.5% FF%.

Alexander Petrovic Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

Marc Staal Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

I realize Staal's play has not been the best, but wouldn't Petrovic then be an improvement, for little cost (just cap dollars) over what the team has on the roster and bring an added element the team lacks on the back-end as well? What am I missing?

 

[NYR Viper]

I wanted to avoid doing that. I wanted a name that is more neutral. To stand out. Every Rangers podcast either has something blue or Ranger in it. I didn't want to be just another Rangers podcast in name

I need to tweak the audio a bit to make sure the volume levels are more even

Subscribed, once I get a chance to listen I'll let you know. Thanks for posting so we are aware of it

 

[Leetch3]

I wanted to avoid doing that. I wanted a name that is more neutral. To stand out. Every Rangers podcast either has something blue or Ranger in it. I didn't want to be just another Rangers podcast in name

I need to tweak the audio a bit to make sure the volume levels are more even

I would have gone with Blueshirt Stalker...you could do 1 week from the bushes outside Nils grandfather's house...another following kravtsov thru a local mall. stuff like that LOL

 

[East Coast Bias]

Not buying it, he hasn't done all he could to move those players I mentioned and buy out Staal.

Bc buying out Staal during a rebuild is stupid.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I would have gone with Blueshirt Stalker...you could do 1 week from the bushes outside Nils grandfather's house...another following kravtsov thru a local mall. stuff like that LOL

It's never to late for a segment with that name haha