Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Subscribed, once I get a chance to listen I'll let you know. Thanks for posting so we are aware of it

Thanks man.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not buying it, he hasn't done all he could to move those players I mentioned and buy out Staal.

Buy outs are a way to get cap relief
Cap relief is useful for contenders

We aren't contenders.

 

[Off Sides]

So I'm looking at Alex Petrovic on hockey reference and I'm seeing a guy who hovers around 50% CF% and 50% FF% for most of his career and yet people say he is a horrible player. He had a rough year last year due to injuries but he's 26 years old, 6'4 and plays with an edge to his game that the team lacks on the back-end, all while being a RD.

Meanwhile, Marc Staal is hovering around ~42.5% CF% and 42.5% FF%.

Alexander Petrovic Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

Marc Staal Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

I realize Staal's play has not been the best, but wouldn't Petrovic then be an improvement, for little cost (just cap dollars) over what the team has on the roster and bring an added element the team lacks on the back-end as well? What am I missing?

I still do not dislike that idea.

He'd be cheap, short term, if it worked they get a bargain, if not he ends up the 7th.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The other thing with having guys like Staal around is it allows the GM to do what's right for the d prospects. If they need time in the minors there is no rush to call them up. I dont mind havin Staal around to mentor the kids, I'm ok with Smith if he is a forward. Shattenkirk is overpaid for what he does but he isnt terrible, I just let these contracts run out and save our cap space for when we need it instead of extending these contracts drag on our cap by buying them out over extra years.

 

[darko]

is Tyler Myers a bad idea ? 30 now

Yes

 

[Raspewtin]

So I'm looking at Alex Petrovic on hockey reference and I'm seeing a guy who hovers around 50% CF% and 50% FF% for most of his career and yet people say he is a horrible player. He had a rough year last year due to injuries but he's 26 years old, 6'4 and plays with an edge to his game that the team lacks on the back-end, all while being a RD.

Meanwhile, Marc Staal is hovering around ~42.5% CF% and 42.5% FF%.

Alexander Petrovic Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

Marc Staal Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

I realize Staal's play has not been the best, but wouldn't Petrovic then be an improvement, for little cost (just cap dollars) over what the team has on the roster and bring an added element the team lacks on the back-end as well? What am I missing?

He had an awful year this year but before that he's been ok. I mean if he's free then fine but I wouldn't pay anything for him

 

[Raspewtin]

i'd keep both Smith and Shattenkirk unless a good offer with no salary takebacks comes.

neither of them are nearly bad enough to actively try to get rid of. Staal is but I'd rather just keep him than buy him out and let him stink up the ice.

 

[bobbop]

yes, but the trade should have been Dallas' 2nd rounder + Vesey, nobody would give them more for question mark Fox.

You think people are lining up for Vesey?

 

[DanielBrassard]

i'd keep both Smith and Shattenkirk unless a good offer with no salary takebacks comes.

neither of them are nearly bad enough to actively try to get rid of. Staal is but I'd rather just keep him than buy him out and let him stink up the ice.

where I am with this as well, although I think there's a case to be made that buying out Staal would be worth it. Buying out Shattenkirk is idiotic, and Smith is still one of the 3 best LHD on the roster.

 

[Raspewtin]

where I am with this as well, although I think there's a case to be made that buying out Staal would be worth it. Buying out Shattenkirk is idiotic, and Smith is still one of the 3 best LHD on the roster.

when would a Staal buyout be worth it? not that I have any issue with forcing him off the ice, but when would it be to our advantage?

also just drop Pionk like a rock. Him and Staal were the wonder twins 2.0 this year.

 

[bobbop]

The question is not can the Rangers afford a buyout on defense this (and in future) years, the question is who. This year, Smith is the obvious choice. Next year, I’ll let you know.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You think people are lining up for Vesey?

"Here's this player I don't like. Let's include them in trade proposals because other GMs will obviously LOVE to acquire him"

 

[Raspewtin]

The question is not can the Rangers afford a buyout on defense this (and in future) years, the question is who. This year, Smith is the obvious choice. Next year, I’ll let you know.

but what is the justification for buying out smith, especially if buying out staal is not an option?

 

[Avery16]

where I am with this as well, although I think there's a case to be made that buying out Staal would be worth it. Buying out Shattenkirk is idiotic, and Smith is still one of the 3 best LHD on the roster.

This doesn't make a lot of sense, because Staal > Smith.

 

[E-Train]

"Here's this player I don't like. Let's include them in trade proposals because other GMs will obviously LOVE to acquire him"

Sad thing is, he’s not the only one that does it. I see Pionk and Andersson in proposals by posters known for disliking them.

“Pionk is awful”, ”Pionk, Andersson and scraps for Trouba!”

 

[apoptygma]

Didn't want to create a new thread, but after people were positive about the previous one, here's the one from yesterday discussing, among other things, Panarin coming to the Rangers (potentially)

I am really curious to hear what you guys think of the intro

Awesome! Perfect for a rainy day like today.

 

[bobbop]

but what is the justification for buying out smith, especially if buying out staal is not an option?

Simple, Smith is a defenseman who couldn’t crack the top 6 on a bad defensive team this year and probably can’t roster next year. Look, Stall is no bargain either but he is a better defensive option and he played top 6 all year. The coaches clearly see Staal as a better option and if he is used properly (bottom pairing) he can contribute.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sad thing is, he’s not the only one that does it. I see Pionk and Andersson in proposals by posters known for disliking them.

“Pionk is awful”, ”Pionk, Andersson and scraps for Trouba!”

The difference there is that Andersson has more value than they think haha

 

[Fireonk]

yes, but the trade should have been Dallas' 2nd rounder + Vesey, nobody would give them more for question mark Fox.

How is Fox more of a question mark than the nameless draft picks you are so upset we gave up for him? He lead all of college in points per game as a defensemen. He might not amount to much but hes certainly more likely to than another 2nd round pick.

At the very least he has proven he can dominate at the collegiate level which makes him less likely to be a complete bust than whatever is behind door number 2nd round.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How is Fox more of a question mark than the nameless draft picks you are so upset we gave up for him? He lead all of college in points per game as a defensemen. He might not amount to much but hes certainly more likely to than another 2nd round pick.

At the very least he has proven he can dominate at the collegiate level which makes him less likely to be a complete bust than whatever is behind door number 2nd round.

Adam Fox is the player you hope a 2nd round pick to turn into. It's the same with the debate whether or not Fagemo is worth a late 1st round pick. Fagemo had 25 points in the SHL in his D+1 season, which is what you hope a late 1st rounder would do in that situation. Why go for the unknown when you can get a player who has already ticked those boxes?

 

[SA16]

Once JD is announced as the president, I’m sure there immediately will be questions pertaining to Panarin. A small chance there will be a categorical response to give an insight one way or another because I’ve felt bad for this dead horse for awhile.

He's just going to say he cannot comment on players that are under contract with another team.

 

[Avery16]

Simple, Smith is a defenseman who couldn’t crack the top 6 on a bad defensive team this year and probably can’t roster next year. Look, Stall is no bargain either but he is a better defensive option and he played top 6 all year. The coaches clearly see Staal as a better option and if he is used properly (bottom pairing) he can contribute.

Would rather demote Smith or keep him as a 13F than buy him out. Also, if Detroit is extending McIlrath, someone out there has to be ok with Smith at the right price/in the right deal.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't see any reason for them to buyout anyone. They don't need the cap space.

They have plenty of non waiver eligible players who probably help make the Pack at least decent. The AHL needs to be a better environment, putting all the good prospects on the Rangers is not going to allow for a winning one. They should have kept more prospects down last season. If they did not because the environment there was poor, that is a problem that should be addressed. Rushing 19-20 year old prospects into the NHL to shield them from a poor AHL experience is not a good situation for a rebuilding team. Neither is keeping them at the NHL level just to show off their rebuild.

 

[Raspewtin]

i watched marc staal all year and can confidently say he is one of the worst D in the league so I'd harshly disagree with him having more value than smith unless we were intentionally tanking.

 

[DanielBrassard]

This doesn't make a lot of sense, because Staal > Smith.

No he's not, but agree to disagree because I won't convince you and you won't convince me.