If they don’t sign Panarin and end up trading Kreider, I definitely think they’d be a bottom 5 team.
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If they don’t sign Panarin and end up trading Kreider, I definitely think they’d be a bottom 5 team.
I am really coming around to this take. After watching him in these playoffs, I see the talent level and smarts but he’s really not a driver but a elite level compliment. Certainly can’t handle the heavy checking that the nhl embraces in the playoffs. I want more of a driver for that price.
This is from someone who has been on the free talent side.
I think Pasternak is a closer example of an 11 million dollar ufa, if he was eligible.
i really want to convince myself that panarin makes sense cause he's an amazing player and would be lots of fun to watch...but i think some people are drastically underestimating just how god awful we are gonna be next year...
i hear people talking about how this is the fastest rebuild ever like its anywhere near complete. there is lots of talent and tons of reason for excitement. but if you look at realistic rookie expectations for kravtsov and kakko. please realistic year 2 improvements from chytil, howden, lias, etc (assuming they don't have sophomore slumps), even if you swapped kreider for panarin, I think its optimistic to think we'll be as good as we were last year. we are probably going to be worse...
the idea that you should spend while guys are on their ELC only works if you lucked into that talent and have a team around them...we ripped this thing down to the studs and are no where close to being able to take advantage of that cap situation. and I also don't understand why we can sign panarin to a 7 year deal which means he'd still have 4 years left on his deal when kravtsov and kakko's ELC end, but we can't sign someone in 4 years because their deals have ended? if the 2nd is true, then how are you re-signing them with panarin on the books?
the big time free agent signing or blockbuster trade should be to land what you hope is the final piece to the puzzle, not to make you less crappy during the rebuild. there are others that you can sign on shorter deals to be more competitive next year...right now the puzzle is so far from complete that there is no way to tell what that final piece is going to be. right now the pieces are just thrown on the table scattered about...will we need a center? will we need a winger? will we need a top pair d? well only time will tell based on how the guys we have all pan out and develop...
given all the assets we've acquired and knowing that they won't all fit in ny, we'd be better off waiting till the picture is clearer and giving up assets in a trade for that final piece than signing a guy now and just hoping all the pieces fall into place around them
i hear people talking about how this is the fastest rebuild ever like its anywhere near complete. there is lots of talent and tons of reason for excitement. but if you look at realistic rookie expectations for kravtsov and kakko. please realistic year 2 improvements from chytil, howden, lias, etc (assuming they don't have sophomore slumps), even if you swapped kreider for panarin, I think its optimistic to think we'll be as good as we were last year. we are probably going to be worse...
the idea that you should spend while guys are on their ELC only works if you lucked into that talent and have a team around them...we ripped this thing down to the studs and are no where close to being able to take advantage of that cap situation. and I also don't understand why we can sign panarin to a 7 year deal which means he'd still have 4 years left on his deal when kravtsov and kakko's ELC end, but we can't sign someone in 4 years because their deals have ended? if the 2nd is true, then how are you re-signing them with panarin on the books?
the big time free agent signing or blockbuster trade should be to land what you hope is the final piece to the puzzle, not to make you less crappy during the rebuild. there are others that you can sign on shorter deals to be more competitive next year...right now the puzzle is so far from complete that there is no way to tell what that final piece is going to be. right now the pieces are just thrown on the table scattered about...will we need a center? will we need a winger? will we need a top pair d? well only time will tell based on how the guys we have all pan out and develop...
given all the assets we've acquired and knowing that they won't all fit in ny, we'd be better off waiting till the picture is clearer and giving up assets in a trade for that final piece than signing a guy now and just hoping all the pieces fall into place around them
its not hoping for but expecting...this team is going to be awful next year, even if you sign panarin we'd still be looking at a top 5 pick next year imo
DanielBrassard
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Ducks had Niedermayer, who's cap hit % was 17.31% of the cap when it was signed. Detroit had signed Brian Rafalski before 2007-08 at 11.93% of the cap.
Should give us a shot at assessing whether Shesty can split duties with Hank down the line.
DanielBrassard
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He has 18 points in his last 15 playoff games, he can't handle the checking? What?
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If this team can learn to hold like 60% of the leads they had last year, good chance they're a wildcard team. They also need to improve the PK which was awful. That can be done without breaking the piggy bank, just have to find value like they did with Grabner.
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I know many of you hope they’re a bottom 5 team for the rest of your lives but that’s not happening lol, I’d bet a large sum of money they are nowhere near the bottom 5 this season. And if they get Panarin I would be surprised if they don’t make the playoffs
If they trade Kreider and don't sign any good free agents, I'd put good money they will indeed be a bottom 5 team. At the very least, top 10.
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That's would be an insane improvement and highly unlikely. I also think people are equating our overall season last year with how we will perform next year, when in reality, we should be looking mostly at how we played after removing Hayes and Zucc, which was significantly worse.
That's just ridiculous, no one hopes for that. But it seems there's a strong amount of people here who seem to believe a rebuild that lasts more than one season is too long, which is equally ridiculous.
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Regardless of whether the Rangers sign anyone in the offseason, they will be way better off in the long run if they can get another top 10 or top 5 pick next season + maybe an extra first from Dallas and or a Kreider trade. In all likelihood, the team needs one more young cornerstone after this draft. The chances we get 3 cornerstones from Kakko, Kravtsov, Miller are somewhat unlikely. And we still need at least one more. It's possible all will pan out to be high skilled guys, but not nec cornerstones. If we had one more high first rounder that we can devote to a #1D and/or top 3 forward that would go a long way to finishing a real rebuild.
They aren't making the playoffs with this D.
It's much more likely that they finish bottom 5 than they make the playoffs. That could change, but its going to take some pretty significant shit happening in order to change.
They haven't been bottom 5 yet (6th this year, they moved up which is awesome), so what is this about the rest of our lives? They literally started this thing 15 months ago.
DanielBrassard
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I would hope guys like Chytil, Andersson, and Howden can improve enough where we don't have to look at after the TD performance as a guideline, not to mention adding in the 2nd overall pick to the lineup. If we are similar to what we were after the TD that's not great news for the development of the guys already with the team.
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I can’t wait to see some posters on this board implode when it comes out Rangers are in hard on Panarin
It's going to be even more fun to watch some people implode when he signs in Florida.
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that's a weird thing to be excited for. you should start watching Game of Thrones imo
Have you watched him of late outside of this playoff run?
I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
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There are way too many variables. The team hit a major lull with the TDL stuff. The way kids progress is unpredictable.
BUT I think we will be better next year, even without making any moves.
edit - factor in all the close games. That can turn quickly.
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I've watched him closely this playoff year. My issue with him is that while he's a pretty strong 2c/3c he will be paid like a first line center. And I think he's a bit undersized to ever be a 1c in playoff hockey. I don't think spending a lot on him makes as much as sense as developing Kakko or Chytil to be a 2C. If we need another vet center, I'd rather go bargain hunting as a stop gap.
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