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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

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To me, there are two questions that matter with Panarin:

How much of a difference do you think he makes with our first round draft pick? Are we talking going from 2 to 7, or from 6 to 9?

Where will we be in year three of the hypothetical Panarin contract?
 
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Greg02 said:
To me, there are two questions that matter with Panarin:

How much of a difference do you think he makes with our first round draft pick? Are we talking going from 2 to 7, or from 6 to 9?

Where will we be in year three of the hypothetical Panarin contract?
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That's where the disconnect is.

I think we are on the uptrend and will be contending in 2 years. Carolina-esque. An ECF appearance is not to be expected but not something out of the realm of possibilities.. ( depending on player development )
 
bobbop said:
You get a different perspective when you are shelling out $10k every year for season tickets.
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Or when your job is on the line and/or revenue is declining YOY

Gorton isn't King of the NYR. No GM purposefully sucks or tanks long term. It could cost you your career.
 
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duhmetreE said:
That's where the disconnect is.

I think we are on the uptrend and will be contending in 2 years. Carolina-esque. An ECF appearance is not to be expected but not something out of the realm of possibilities.. ( depending on player development )
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If our window opens in year three AND Panarin is still competing in years 3-5, then the signing is a success. I can't hang my hat on those odds.
 
Avery16 said:
If our window opens in year three AND Panarin is still competing in years 3-5, then the signing is a success. I can't hang my hat on those odds.
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IMO Year 2-7 of his hypothetical contract we will be competing

We would be a bubble team next year
 
DanielBrassard said:
I would hope guys like Chytil, Andersson, and Howden can improve enough where we don't have to look at after the TD performance as a guideline, not to mention adding in the 2nd overall pick to the lineup. If we are similar to what we were after the TD that's not great news for the development of the guys already with the team.
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But that's the thing, even if they improve, can we really expect them to replace the production of Hayes and Zucc? I think that's quite a stretch and will lead to disappointment.

In general, a lot remains to be seen. Because this team could look a whole lot different come the beginning of the season. Kreider, Fast, Names, Shatty, etc. Who knows which of those guys will be on the roster next year.

I guess I just feel like a lot of people are extrapolating our somewhat mediocre year (pre-TDL) and assuming we will naturally improve off that. But completely ignore the fact that we removed 2 of our 4 best forwards who were there for most of the year.

Even if the kids improve and KK and Kravtsov have decent season, I'm not so sure we're any better than last year.

Also, until the D gets fixed, we are in deep shit. I am pretty confident that next year will end up being another developmental year and hopefully in 2021 we can begin looking to make another playoff run.
 
bobbop said:
You get a different perspective when you are shelling out $10k every year for season tickets.
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This is kind of an arrogant post and also a little ludicrous. I had season tickets for 10 years and don't look at it much different than I did then.

Even if we get Panarin, do you really think this team can make a cup run in a year or two? That's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Quick fixes come one way in this league, with a #1 or #2OA. And even then, it generally takes 3-5 years.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
I know many of you hope they’re a bottom 5 team for the rest of your lives but that’s not happening lol, I’d bet a large sum of money they are nowhere near the bottom 5 this season. And if they get Panarin I would be surprised if they don’t make the playoffs
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Care to make a sock bet? Loser eats their sock on camera. I'm already locked in to do it if the Rangers make the playoffs next season. Would you like to do the same if they don't?
 
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duhmetreE said:
There are way too many variables. The team hit a major lull with the TDL stuff. The way kids progress is unpredictable.

BUT I think we will be better next year, even without making any moves.

edit - factor in all the close games. That can turn quickly.
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you are way more optimistic than I am...I think best case next year the kids progess offsets the loss of not having hayes and zuke for most of the year and puts us back to even.
 
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Greg02 said:
To me, there are two questions that matter with Panarin:

How much of a difference do you think he makes with our first round draft pick? Are we talking going from 2 to 7, or from 6 to 9?

Where will we be in year three of the hypothetical Panarin contract?
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I'll add a third...

How do we think Panarin will age? Will he be closer to a Hossa/Selanne or a Mike/Brad Richards?
 
Faceless said:
This is kind of an arrogant post and also a little ludicrous. I had season tickets for 10 years and don't look at it much different than I did then.

Even if we get Panarin, do you really think this team can make a cup run in a year or two? That's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Quick fixes come one way in this league, with a #1 or #2OA. And even then, it generally takes 3-5 years.
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Oh it’s not arrogant at all. Average attendance was down 500 a game at The Garden this year and the can count (the actual number of people attending) was down over 800 per game. If you had tickets now you would find out how hard it is to find buyers and how demeaning potential buyers can be (some who are posters here) when all you are asking is STH face.

I don’t necessarily expect a Cup in in a year or two but I want to see a competitive hockey team that can get into and eventually win the playoffs. You build piece by piece. Panarin can be a key piece.
 
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bobbop said:
Oh it’s not arrogant at all. Average attendance was down 500 a game at The Garden this year and the can count (the actual number of people attending) was down over 800 per game. If you had tickets now you would find out how hard it is to find buyers and how demeaning potential buyers can be (some who are posters here) when all you are asking is STH face.

I don’t necessarily expect a Cup in in a year or two but I want to see a competitive hockey team that can get into and eventually win the playoffs. You build piece by piece. Panarin can be a key piece.
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But they way it was worded was arrogant. It's pretty snooty to come in here and tell everyone who is making strong points against signing Panarin that if they were 'shelling out 10K' that they would see things differently.

I gave up my tickets 2 years ago because the secondary market became far more complex and my margins fell significantly. I understand what you're talking about. Yet, you completely undermined some solid points you were making with this comment. No one cares that you're spending a fortune to have Rangers season tickets. Make the argument on the merits.
 
Faceless said:
But that's the thing, even if they improve, can we really expect them to replace the production of Hayes and Zucc? I think that's quite a stretch and will lead to disappointment.

In general, a lot remains to be seen. Because this team could look a whole lot different come the beginning of the season. Kreider, Fast, Names, Shatty, etc. Who knows which of those guys will be on the roster next year.

I guess I just feel like a lot of people are extrapolating our somewhat mediocre year (pre-TDL) and assuming we will naturally improve off that. But completely ignore the fact that we removed 2 of our 4 best forwards who were there for most of the year.

Even if the kids improve and KK and Kravtsov have decent season, I'm not so sure we're any better than last year.

Also, until the D gets fixed, we are in deep ****. I am pretty confident that next year will end up being another developmental year and hopefully in 2021 we can begin looking to make another playoff run.
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Another top 5 pick in 2020 is fine with me.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Dude, I'm not going to have a semantics conversation on significant UFAs. If the bar is Rafalski and Ward, then fine. You win. UFAs are the way to win cups.
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Rafalski had 40 points in 63 playoff games plus a Cup for Detroit spanning 4 seasons. That's not semantics. That's a significant UFA.

I'm not even disputing your point or even making an argument for UFA's as a means to win Cups. I'm answering a question you put out there.
 
Fitzy said:
I'll add a third...

How do we think Panarin will age? Will he be closer to a Hossa/Selanne or a Mike/Brad Richards?
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Certainly an important factor, but (and maybe I'm crazy here) I'm not as concerned there as Panarin doesn't feel like he'll have negative value by the end of the contract even if he loses two steps if we heavily front-load the contract.
 
Faceless said:
But they way it was worded was arrogant. It's pretty snooty to come in here and tell everyone who is making strong points against signing Panarin that if they were 'shelling out 10K' that they would see things differently.

I gave up my tickets 2 years ago because the secondary market became far more complex and my margins fell significantly. I understand what you're talking about. Yet, you completely undermined some solid points you were making with this comment. No one cares that you're spending a fortune to have Rangers season tickets. Make the argument on the merits.
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I rest my case
 
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