Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm game to add bad contracts provided they only last for next season.

No to Lucic, yes to Callahan/Marleau

I would take on Marleau if they want to give us Kapanen

 

[NYRFAN218]

Since offer sheets are being brought back up, here is the current status of what offer sheets the Rangers can do:

So, the no compensation tier ($0-$1.339M), one 2nd round pick ($2.029M-$4.059M), or four 1st round picks ($10.148M+)

I don't even think they can do the $2.029M - $4.059M one because the 2nd round pick is also tied up in the Fox trade.

 

[Irishguy42]

I don't even think they can do the $2.029M - $4.059M one because the 2nd round pick is also tied up in the Fox trade.

2021 2nd might count as being the next eligible pick. Waiting to see if CF will respond.

 

[Fitzy]

I think there is a bit of a different meaning to what is said:
“Teams up against the ceiling will need them as a potential partner, and the Rangers will want good players to ease your pain.”

Could just as well read that Gorton will take on term and is willing to pay for it with futures or young cheap players, but only if the player behind the term is good enough. Wouldn’t he state that Gorton will want a lot of assets, probably picks, if he were to take on real negative value contracts? Not ‘good players’?

For teams right up against the cap, what matters is performance/spent dollar. Look at someone like Ryan Johansen, what is he worth? 8m per for 6 more years. He isn’t much more than a 60 pts center.

I just think the market for someone like that is much quieter than we can imagine. It’s a heck of a commitment to take on for a team. Not many could afford him under their cap, we would maybe have a handful of teams with interest and cap space. Sure, he would get a return for Nashville, but I can’t see a team like say Carolina loading up with an offer around Necas and multiple 1sts or Detroit offering Zadina plus a 1st or two, Colorado putting the Ottawa pick in play and then adding to it. Any team that becomes good will have cap issues. A contract like that at 8m pet for 6 more years is a big commitment in itself.

If Gorton is willing to throw weight around at that market — I could definitely see him getting some action.

Hm. I initially read it as "NYR would want a good young player to take on a bad contract" but I think your interpretation makes a little more sense.

 

[Avery16]

Oh absolutely, I’d much rather they threaten then give up picks for these guys, but I like the fact that it’s being said regardless. More moves to come is always exciting.

There were a lot of moves from 1998-2001

 

[TheBloodyNine]

There were a lot of moves from 1998-2001

“Cool.”

 

[Thirty One]

2021 2nd might count as being the next eligible pick. Waiting to see if CF will respond.

Pretty sure when it's four first round picks it has to be 4 in 5 years, but if it's one pick it needs to be the next one.

 

[Thirty One]

The Marleau thing will be interesting. He moved his whole family up to Toronto and it's hard to see him waiving to be apart from them for an entire season, equally difficult to see him moving them all to another city as well, even if it's back to California. Maybe he agrees to a buy out and signs with a team like Pittsburgh where there are relatively short flights direct to Toronto or something like that.

Yeah, in my mind, that scenario would have him signing with Toronto after the buy-out.

 

[Trxjw]

The Rangers can't offer sheet anyone with their 2nd/3rd rounders now being tied up in the Fox trade. You have to surrender picks from the same draft unless they're of the same round, i.e., 2x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd. Then the 1sts have to be in consecutive years.

The only way the Rangers offer sheet anyone is if it's 4 1st round picks. They can't even do the 1st and a 3rd option anticipating that they play Fox 30 games because if he has a season ending injury after 10 games they've now violated the parameters of the deal.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I would be more than happy to help Toronto with their Marleau problem provided that:
1)Is Marleau on board with this?
2)Is the NHL ok with it?
3)What else do we get?

 

[Trxjw]

Yeah, in my mind, that scenario would have him signing with Toronto after the buy-out.

The NHL investigated the Avs and Caps after they did that with Orpik last summer. There's no rule saying a team can't do it, but there are some rumors that the NHL let GM's know that they'll come down hard if they can prove it was cap circumvention.

 

[Thirty One]

The NHL investigated the Avs and Caps after they did that with Orpik last summer. There's no rule saying a team can't do it, but there are some rumors that the NHL let GM's know that they'll come down hard if they can prove it was cap circumvention.

I get that, but I think a team would have to be pretty dumb if the NHL is able to prove that they agreed on the new contract before the trade.

 

[Ola]

Based on that Friedman article, I ‘m still under the belief that Nylander and Trouba are more likely Gorton’s targets than Panarin.

Winnipeg’s 1st and Pionk for Trouba.

Kreider to Arizona for their 1st and a conditional 1st that becomes a 2nd in 20’ unless Kreider does not resign in the desert. Arizona’s pick is at 14, there will be a good forward available at 14. Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte, Knight, Byram, Broberg, Soderstrom, Zegras, Boldy, Dach, Caufield, Podkolzin, York and Rees are 14 really good names and should go high. One of them will be available as well as the best of the rest so to speak.

Sign Curtis Lazar as a UFA.

Deal Vesey and Names for picks.

Make a Shatty deal work as soon as possible, and keep Fox in HFD until it can get done.

Trade for someone like Toffoli, good player and not the longest contract.

Kravy-Ziba-Bucb
Lemieux-Chytil-Kakko
Toffoli-Strome-Lazar
Gettinger-Boo-Fast
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Trouba
Hajak-Shatty/Fox

Move Strome and Toffoli at the deadline. Lias gets a called up. Starting in HFD would be great for him.

Should get a lottery pick again. Add another future core asset in the draft next season. Let’s say that we can get someone like Lucas Raymond:

Kravy-Ziba-Kakko
Raymond-Chytil-Buch
Lemieux-Lias-Lazar/Fast

KAndre-TDA
Skjei-Trouba
Hajak-Fox

With a ton of internal pressure from all the picks we have made besides those guys. All LDs. Keane and Lundkvist. We have some good forwards already in the system and a few more should join fairly soon.

Then it starts to look interesting for real for the coming 10 years.

 

[Trxjw]

I get that, but I think a team would have to be pretty dumb if the NHL is able to prove that they agreed on the new contract before the trade.

Agreed. It's hard to prove intent there, but it's still a risk. That being said, aside from a top-pairing RHD, the Rangers have pieces the Leafs would probably be interested in. Fast and Kreider for sure.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Winnipeg’s 1st and Pionk for Trouba.

Kreider to Arizona for their 1st and a conditional 1st that becomes a 2nd in 20’ unless Kreider does not resign in the desert. Arizona’s pick is at 14, there will be a good forward available at 14. Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte, Knight, Byram, Broberg, Soderstrom, Zegras, Boldy, Dach, Caufield, Podkolzin, York and Rees are 14 really good names and should go high. One of them will be available as well as the best of the rest so to speak.

Sign Curtis Lazar as a UFA.

Deal Vesey and Names for picks.

Make a Shatty deal work as soon as possible, and keep Fox in HFD until it can get done.

Trade for someone like Toffoli, good player and not the longest contract.

Kravy-Ziba-Bucb
Lemieux-Chytil-Kakko
Toffoli-Strome-Lazar
Gettinger-Boo-Fast
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Trouba
Hajak-Shatty/Fox

Move Strome and Toffoli at the deadline. Lias gets a called up. Starting in HFD would be great for him.

Should get a lottery pick again. Add another future core asset in the draft next season. Let’s say that we can get someone like Lucas Raymond:

Kravy-Ziba-Kakko
Raymond-Chytil-Buch
Lemieux-Lias-Lazar/Fast

KAndre-TDA
Skjei-Trouba
Hajak-Fox

With a ton of internal pressure from all the picks we have made besides those guys. All LDs. Keane and Lundkvist. We have some good forwards already in the system and a few more should join fairly soon.

Then it starts to look interesting for real for the coming 10 years.

I think Skjei is the centerpiece for a Trouba deal. I also wonder if Lundkvist becomes available with the trade for Fox.

 

[Irishguy42]

Pretty sure when it's four first round picks it has to be 4 in 5 years, but if it's one pick it needs to be the next one.

Yeah, I'm waiting for CF to wake up and confirm my tweet of this scenario to them.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think Skjei is the centerpiece for a Trouba deal. I also wonder if Lundkvist becomes available with the trade for Fox.

I agree regarding Skjei & Trouba. As for the existing stable of RD, I actually think the question is which of Shatty/ADA/Pionk goes. Could be any one, two, or all three of them.

 

[RGY]

Carlo is also a monster.

We still have time though to add a 1-2 big guys in the next couple years. Keane maybe grows another inch. Lindgren plays nasty.

Just think its exaggerated a bit and that ADA and Fox can both work here. Also, lets not forget ADA himself. He plays a nasty physical game

 

[RGY]

I would be more than happy to help Toronto with their Marleau problem provided that:
1)Is Marleau on board with this?
2)Is the NHL ok with it?
3)What else do we get?

Feel like it would have to be a lot to do them a favor and being that he has to waive his NMC. So you need a team that has the cap space and he is willing to go to.

 

[LORDE]

The central argument behind those buyouts is that you’re just getting these players out of the way to allow the youth to grow. In some cases (Smith) the sooner the better. In others (Shattenkirk)... it’s looking like at some point he is going to beyond superfluous. You might even consider that point to be right now. If you have DeAngelo, Pionk and Fox potentially being able to fill the RD puck moving and PP roles, you really need to get someone who can kill penalties in there. Shattenkirk is just taking up roster space that can be better utilized elsewhere. And he can’t be assigned to Hartford.

I do think Staal will be here until the end, unless his game REALLY falls off a cliff.

There’s benefit to eliminating their presence.

ADA had a great 2nd half... don’t know what he is yet (like Buch)

Pionk? Smith? Bury in Hartford if the kids are ready.

Kirk? Just signed him 2 years ago... if he comes back in shape and healthy u have to see. I don’t see anyone blocking anyone until the kids are banging on the door and def don’t see buyouts of the expensive ones as a solution.

 

[RGY]

I think Skjei is the centerpiece for a Trouba deal. I also wonder if Lundkvist becomes available with the trade for Fox.

Do not move Lundkvist. Do not do it.

Keep your D prospect cupboard stocked with more chances for a complete defensive six to emerge

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Feel like it would have to be a lot to do them a favor and being that he has to waive his NMC. So you need a team that has the cap space and he is willing to go to.

I’m more worried about possible NHL front office retribution honestly, so not sure I’d even be worth it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think Skjei is the centerpiece for a Trouba deal. I also wonder if Lundkvist becomes available with the trade for Fox.

Not yet.

If they trade him this summer and he explodes next year it becomes a massive derp deal.

 

[Trxjw]

Based on that Friedman article, I ‘m still under the belief that Nylander and Trouba are more likely Gorton’s targets than Panarin.

When Gorton talks about possibly accelerating things, those are the kinds of players that come to mind. It's not so much an acceleration of the timeline to a playoff return, but moreso an adjustment of the time they have to wait before they see a measurable leap forward in the talent level of the core group.

Now I certainly have some reservations about both players but they're certainly of the right age and talent level that they could be part of a high-quality core for a long time. If the Rangers felt that between Nylander and Chytil they definitely had at least one high-quality center, and they could let Kakko, Kravtsov, and Buch fill in around them, then you could almost make the argument that the top-9 is solidified on paper.

Same thing on the blue line. You add Trouba and let ADA, Fox, Lundkvist and Pionk battle it out for the final 2 spots while the left-side guys develop. You just sort of have to sit back and either wait for the cream to rise to the top or be able to jump on a prime trade opportunity when it arises.

That all being said I have a hard time imagining scenarios where we land one or both guys where we don't sacrifice some of that prospect pool we've been building.

 

[nyrage]

The central argument behind those buyouts is that you’re just getting these players out of the way to allow the youth to grow. In some cases (Smith) the sooner the better. In others (Shattenkirk)... it’s looking like at some point he is going to beyond superfluous. You might even consider that point to be right now. If you have DeAngelo, Pionk and Fox potentially being able to fill the RD puck moving and PP roles, you really need to get someone who can kill penalties in there. Shattenkirk is just taking up roster space that can be better utilized elsewhere. And he can’t be assigned to Hartford.

I do think Staal will be here until the end, unless his game REALLY falls off a cliff.

There’s benefit to eliminating their presence.

World's smallest cliff