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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

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I dunno. Unless Smith is a room-killer I just don't see the point in buying him out. We don't need the cap savings and it just reduces our flexibility for 4 years instead of 2. I don't really have any problem with him as a spare forward and I'm not ready to say he's blocking anyone from making the jump until he's actually a blocker. Hajek, Rykov, and Lindgren could all make the team, but will they? And if they don't make the team, who is the Rangers spare defensemen?

Now, if the Rangers fancy using their wallet to pick up a bad contract while getting some nice additions in the deal that's a different story. For example if they're buying out Smith so they can absorb a Marleau buyout and pick up a good prospect or roster player then that's something I can get behind.
 
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Trxjw said:
I dunno. Unless Smith is a room-killer I just don't see the point in buying him out. We don't need the cap savings and it just reduces our flexibility for 4 years instead of 2. I don't really have any problem with him as a spare forward and I'm not ready to say he's blocking anyone from making the jump until he's actually a blocker. Hajek, Rykov, and Lindgren could all make the team, but will they? And if they don't make the team, who is the Rangers spare defensemen?
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I could see Smith being used as the 4LW/PK RD role again as the RD will likely feature some combination of Shattenkirk, Deangelo and Fox who Quinn won't be comfortable PKing.
 
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Thirty One said:
I could see Smith being used as the 4LW/PK RD role again as the RD will likely feature some combination of Shattenkirk, Deangelo and Fox who Quinn won't be comfortable PKing.
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This makes more sense to me given the current state of things. Slid a ninja edit into my post but unless things change I just assume keep him and let him fill in as needed.
 
Riche16 said:
Still don't get this when this team won't be competing this coming season at minimum. You can burn a year just staying status quo and can bury Smith in Hartford if you really need to. We don't need the cap space. Even if your answer is Panarin AND Karlsson that won't put us into contention.
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Tawnos said:
The central argument behind those buyouts is that you’re just getting these players out of the way to allow the youth to grow. In some cases (Smith) the sooner the better. In others (Shattenkirk)... it’s looking like at some point he is going to beyond superfluous. You might even consider that point to be right now. If you have DeAngelo, Pionk and Fox potentially being able to fill the RD puck moving and PP roles, you really need to get someone who can kill penalties in there. Shattenkirk is just taking up roster space that can be better utilized elsewhere. And he can’t be assigned to Hartford.

I do think Staal will be here until the end, unless his game REALLY falls off a cliff.

There’s benefit to eliminating their presence.
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I’m not necessarily advocating the move. Just noticing the possibility for the first time.
 
Marleau is one I could see Toronto getting away from with just money paid. After his July 1st bonus, he's only owed $1.25 million. Trade him to Ottawa, they buy him out in the second buyout window. Costs them $833,333 over two seasons and they get a $6.25 million cap charge that allows them to cheat their obligation to actually spend money on players.
 
Thirty One said:
Marleau is one I could see Toronto getting away from with just money paid. After his July 1st bonus, he's only owed $1.25 million. Trade him to Ottawa, they buy him out in the second buyout window. Costs them $833,333 over two seasons and they get a $6.25 million cap charge that allows them to cheat their obligation to actually spend money on players.
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Marleau is on a 35+ contract, so no cap relief with a buy out though. Not that they need it, but still important
 
1. Pittsburgh will never rebuild as long as Sidney Crosby is around. But defeat does not sit well in that corner of Pennsylvania and there is need for renovations. You can understand the eye-rolling that comes with Evgeni Malkin trade rumours, but several other clubs believe there is something to this — that, at the very least, the Penguins are determining the feasibility of the idea.

GM Jim Rutherford declined comment, but hinted at it in a couple of local interviews last week. Malkin has a no-move clause, yet the buzz is that he’s taking some time to decompress and think about a.) if he’d agree and b.) where he’d agree to go to. That would be a short list, maybe the Rangers and Florida? The bigger hurdle might be Mario Lemieux, with The Athletic’s Josh Yohe reporting sources have told him Lemieux is against the idea. For the Penguins to consider this, the return must be good enough to keep them in contention now.
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17. The Rangers landed Harvard defenceman Adam Fox to their prospect base on Tuesday. If Dallas comes back to defeat St. Louis, one of the seconds for Mats Zuccarello becomes a first. (New York staffers are probably wearing green to the office.) This is Step 1 of what is expected to be an aggressive off-season. “Watch out for them,” a couple different GMs said. GM Jeff Gorton, armed with picks and cap room, has made it known he is going to be active. Teams up against the ceiling will need them as a potential partner, and the Rangers will want good players to ease your pain. And, they are sending signals they won’t be afraid to use an offer sheet.
18. New York made the Fox deal after the Under-18s. They must have compared him to what they saw overseas, and felt he was better.
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I'm game to add bad contracts provided they only last for next season.

No to Lucic, yes to Callahan/Marleau
 
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The more I see moves like today’s. the more I think Panarin is going to have the best deal on the table from NYR come July 1st. Wouldn’t be surprised with $11m x 7.
 
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Thirty One said:
Marleau is one I could see Toronto getting away from with just money paid. After his July 1st bonus, he's only owed $1.25 million. Trade him to Ottawa, they buy him out in the second buyout window. Costs them $833,333 over two seasons and they get a $6.25 million cap charge that allows them to cheat their obligation to actually spend money on players.
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The Marleau thing will be interesting. He moved his whole family up to Toronto and it's hard to see him waiving to be apart from them for an entire season, equally difficult to see him moving them all to another city as well, even if it's back to California. Maybe he agrees to a buy out and signs with a team like Pittsburgh where there are relatively short flights direct to Toronto or something like that.
 
Gotta say, hearing the Rangers are going to be aggressive and creative and even throwing offer sheets possibly out there has got me excited. Our season ended pretty much a month ago and this has already been the most exciting offseason for the Rangers in years and years.
 
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Berserk said:
Gotta say, hearing the Rangers are going to be aggressive and creative and even throwing offer sheets possibly out there has got me excited. Our season ended pretty much a month ago and this has already been the most exciting offseason for the Rangers in years and years.
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I think the offer sheet mention might be Gorton’s version of the ‘stick’, more a threat/negotiating ploy.
 
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jas said:
I think the offer sheet mention might be Gorton’s version of the ‘stick’, more a threat/negotiating ploy.
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Force a team to match it, put them in cap hell, then give them a phone call and tell them we’ll make it all better....for a price
 
Since offer sheets are being brought back up, here is the current status of what offer sheets the Rangers can do:
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So, the no compensation tier ($0-$1.339M), one 2nd round pick ($2.029M-$4.059M), or four 1st round picks ($10.148M+)
 
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jas said:
I think the offer sheet mention might be Gorton’s version of the ‘stick’, more a threat/negotiating ploy.
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Oh absolutely, I’d much rather they threaten then give up picks for these guys, but I like the fact that it’s being said regardless. More moves to come is always exciting.
 
Fitzy said:
I'm game to add bad contracts provided they only last for next season.

No to Lucic, yes to Callahan/Marleau
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I think there is a bit of a different meaning to what is said:
“Teams up against the ceiling will need them as a potential partner, and the Rangers will want good players to ease your pain.”

Could just as well read that Gorton will take on term and is willing to pay for it with futures or young cheap players, but only if the player behind the term is good enough. Wouldn’t he state that Gorton will want a lot of assets, probably picks, if he were to take on real negative value contracts? Not ‘good players’?

For teams right up against the cap, what matters is performance/spent dollar. Look at someone like Ryan Johansen, what is he worth? 8m per for 6 more years. He isn’t much more than a 60 pts center.

I just think the market for someone like that is much quieter than we can imagine. It’s a heck of a commitment to take on for a team. Not many could afford him under their cap, we would maybe have a handful of teams with interest and cap space. Sure, he would get a return for Nashville, but I can’t see a team like say Carolina loading up with an offer around Necas and multiple 1sts or Detroit offering Zadina plus a 1st or two, Colorado putting the Ottawa pick in play and then adding to it. Any team that becomes good will have cap issues. A contract like that at 8m pet for 6 more years is a big commitment in itself.

If Gorton is willing to throw weight around at that market — I could definitely see him getting some action.
 
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