Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

McRanger92

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Othmann could be a version of that. Bennett generally was an under 30pt player until he was 25.


Him and Othmann.

Cuylle, Edstrom, Berard, Othmann hopefully soon. Even Mancini and Schneider on the backend play the way we need. We need more veterans who do it to supplement them. When you are relying on 23 year olds to be the team's muscle and intimidation factor, no one is going to be intimidated.
 
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Yeah, I think that element of the game is there once we move onto a younger group.

This team needs some f***ing talent.

We can't complete consecutive passes and we're still worrying about who will start scrums.

We could complete passes last year and the roster is no different. We need a mentality change.
 

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Yeah, I think that element of the game is there once we move onto a younger group.

This team needs some f***ing talent.

We can't complete consecutive passes and we're still worrying about who will start scrums.

I think there is some nuance here. I think many people are clamoring for players who can attack the middle of the ice. That's the key. That takes an attitude of not being denied and often those guys are a little more truculent
 

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That’s a bottom-five defensive core on paper. But then again, so is the current one, on ice.

We could complete passes last year and the roster is no different. We need a mentality change.
Power play is the difference. MZ no longer a threat from the circle. Guys moving their feet even less. It’s a relatively predictable “find Panarin” algorithm. Then randomly shoot on goal or target CK for a deflection.
 
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How did Anthony Cirelli become so good? 3rd round pick. Decent junior career. Pedestrian AHL career. Now the guy is a Selke finalist nearly every season. The Rangers desperately need a player like Cirelli. Good two-way player.

Bryce McConnell-Barker has the same profile. OHL. AHL. Good two-way player.

The Rangers have to do the opposite of whatever they have been doing.
 

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I think Fox is going through it mentally. Any time a play doesn’t work out you can see his frustration. He’ll get through it. He’s still only 26, as a D man just hitting his prime.

Fox's speed has not changed. He also looked back to himself last night in the offensive zone. He was dancing on the blueline and set up a lot of opportunities. He's going to be just fine once they find a legitimate defensive partner for him.
This… however he’s a smaller guy in stature and isn’t a physical specimen or speedster.
He is cerebral. Depends on vision, angles, etc.
What he does have is elite vision and an elite set of mitts.
In hard fought physical games and series, his small body is going to take a pounding.
Hes not fast or elusive enough to avoid all the contact coming at him. He’s not a makar or Dahlin type skater. That’s ok, he doesn’t need to be. However NYR depends on him, and they ride him hard and long…
It’s vital that they get him a partner to shoulder more of the load and take some of the burden off of him.
I hate seeing him kill penalties and try to block shots, or getting run into along the boards on a dumb in/forecheck…
That’s all not needed abuse on his body….
I want more mobile big guys that can handle the puck and hopefully get him of the pk entirely except for maybe playoffs.
Seeing mancinni/schneider/and the enigma miller on most nights is great. I want more.
Mancinni has been a breath of fresh air… not only big and mobile, but can handle the puck. He’s going thru the usual rookie peaks and valleys of the show, but I’m happy for the most part he proves like he belongs..
I don’t like having 3 guys fox/jones/Lindgren all small in stature….
Lindgren already has taking a careers worth of beating on his body and it’s showing.
Hopefully emery can arrive in 2 years time as well….
NYR should be targeting larger mobile D….
Look at how mikkola looked in FLA last year???
Manson when dealt to Aves???

By all means keep fox, I love him. But let’s get some more mobile beef in the backend that can skate and handle the puck.

Fox needs a legit long term partner that can make his life easier. I don’t think miller is that guy, or will likely ever be.
Keep miller-Schneider together
 

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That’s a bottom-five defensive core on paper. But then again, so is the current one, on ice.


Power play is the difference. MZ no longer a threat from the circle. Guys moving their feet even less. It’s a relatively predictable “find Panarin” algorithm. Then randomly shoot on goal or target CK for a deflection.

They are definitely deferring to Panarin a downright comical and embarrassing amount. These players dont have the confidence to put an unsanctioned shot on net lol. It's clearly frustrating Panarin too.
 
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I think there is some nuance here. I think many people are clamoring for players who can attack the middle of the ice. That's the key. That takes an attitude of not being denied and often those guys are a little more truculent
I'm not saying that's incorrect but I think we have plenty of that.

Cuylle, Othmann, Sykora, Chmelar, Berard.

This team absolutely does not need to dip into UFA for truculence. They've done a good job building that up in the pipeline.

If we get rid of Zibanejad, which everyone would like to do, that still leaves a giant f***ing gaper in the lineup at center. I want to hear what we're doing about that. And yes, I know Sam Bennett is a center, but we're going to need another scorer there.

And for f***s sake, people want to trade Fox too. Just put Rempe at 1D and max out on toughness with 25 minutes of Rempe.
 

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I think its kind of wild what people are saying they would add to Lafrenierre to get B Tkachuck. BT scored 50 pts off of the powerplay in his 22yr old season. Laf scored 51 in his, last season. They both have leadership abilities. Brady is obviously more physical, Laf I think has a higher offensive upside and does less stupid shit. Imagine him with regular PP1... Plus Laf is two years younger, hits UFA Four years later than Brady, and carries a cap hit starting next year at almost a million lower for 7 years, probably way less for the last four years of his contract as Brady will prob get upwards of 10M in '28. So yeah, these Laf + a top prospect/regular NHLer + a 1st proposals are nuts nuts. Besides we want to ADD to Laf, not swap him.
 
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The team was pretty bad last year. Them winning 55 games was one of hockey's great accidents of the 21st century. They've sucked at passing for probably 7 or 8 years.

I think last year's team winning some games is feeding the narrative that this is just a mental collapse. It's not. It's the inevitable conclusion of a roster that fundamentally was never good enough.
 

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How did Anthony Cirelli become so good? 3rd round pick. Decent junior career. Pedestrian AHL career. Now the guy is a Selke finalist nearly every season. The Rangers desperately need a player like Cirelli. Good two-way player.

Bryce McConnell-Barker has the same profile. OHL. AHL. Good two-way player.

The Rangers have to do the opposite of whatever they have been doing.

They need to add more picks so they have more shots at these types of guys
 

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I'm not saying that's incorrect but I think we have plenty of that.

Cuylle, Othmann, Sykora, Chmelar, Berard.

This team absolutely does not need to dip into UFA for truculence. They've done a good job building that up in the pipeline.

If we get rid of Zibanejad, which everyone would like to do, that still leaves a giant f***ing gaper in the lineup at center. I want to hear what we're doing about that. And yes, I know Sam Bennett is a center, but we're going to need another scorer there.

And for f***s sake, people want to trade Fox too. Just put Rempe at 1D and max out on toughness with 25 minutes of Rempe.

Sure, but you could convince me that a 3rd line anchored by someone like Trent Frederic as the 3C for a physical shut-down line may make sense though
 
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This is overlooked. Most were mislead by the team's record & were fooled into believing that the team was better than they actually were. Many of the issues that have fully manifested were bubbling at the surface.

This team has been the same for the last 4 years, the same patterns keep repeating themselves.
 

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This is overlooked. Most were mislead by the team's record & were fooled into believing that the team was better than they actually were. Many of the issues that have fully manifested were bubbling at the surface.

This team has been the same for the last 4 years, the same patterns keep repeating themselves.

The forwards would be fine with a couple guys who can play a strong 2 way game.

The terminal illness of the roster is how horrendous the defense is. They dont move the puck effectively or play defense or with any toughness. Lindgren and Miller both remaining trusted players is bordering on Make a Wish levels in the past month.
 

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I think there is some nuance here. I think many people are clamoring for players who can attack the middle of the ice. That's the key. That takes an attitude of not being denied and often those guys are a little more truculent

Like how Cuylle scored. It's lunchpail hockey but with talent. It's like how Chytil drove to the net. And it's like how even non-talented Julien Gauthier took it to the hole.
 

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This is overlooked. Most were mislead by the team's record & were fooled into believing that the team was better than they actually were. Many of the issues that have fully manifested were bubbling at the surface.

This team has been the same for the last 4 years, the same patterns keep repeating themselves.
They haven't gotten a ton of breaks this year, and this is just what the results look like when they're not getting all of them.
 

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The team was pretty bad last year. Them winning 55 games was one of hockey's great accidents of the 21st century. They've sucked at passing for probably 7 or 8 years.

I think last year's team winning some games is feeding the narrative that this is just a mental collapse. It's not. It's the inevitable conclusion of a roster that fundamentally was never good enough.
A lot of fans forget that near 2 month span of them being a bottom 10 team because they found ways to win the other games.

We have 1 forward who averages around 3 shots a game. I'm not asking them to become a firing squad like the Canes, but somebody needs to start doing something.
 

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