Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[mas0764]

I guess?

I don't know who you're getting a first for.

Recouping some seconds would be good. Lindgren?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

How did Anthony Cirelli become so good? 3rd round pick. Decent junior career. Pedestrian AHL career. Now the guy is a Selke finalist nearly every season. The Rangers desperately need a player like Cirelli. Good two-way player.

Bryce McConnell-Barker has the same profile. OHL. AHL. Good two-way player.

The Rangers have to do the opposite of whatever they have been doing.

One could argue that Cuylle is going down that path.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The forwards would be fine with a couple guys who can play a strong 2 way game.

The terminal illness of the roster is how horrendous the defense is. They dont move the puck effectively or play defense or with any toughness. Lindgren and Miller both remaining trusted players is bordering on Make a Wish levels in the past month.

I think that defense is half the issue. The other half is a top 6 forward core who refuses to get to the middle of the ice & is content making east west passes praying for the royal road to open.

 

[NYR Viper]

And you're going to war with Trocheck and Chytil as your top two centers with Trent Frederic as the insurance policy?

I think if we are looking at the start of the 25/26 season as the end result we will be disappointed. I'm talking about acquiring pieces who can help build the team in the right direction.

 

[jay from jersey]

The lesson is they need good snarl.

We’ve tried bad snarl/snarl for the sake of snarl and that sucks too. We can’t waste assets/cap/contracts on lousy players because they hit things

This….
Can’t have guys like Panarin/zibby
Who are all skill and no will when it comes to the physical side of the game….

They don’t have to be absolute bruisers, but they need to be able to skate, not handle the puck like a live grenade, and play with some nastiness/douchebagery

 

[Boris Zubov]

One could argue that Cuylle is going down that path.

Unfortunately he's not a C. This organization has an aversion to drafting Centers.

 

[mas0764]

The team was pretty bad last year. Them winning 55 games was one of hockey's great accidents of the 21st century. They've sucked at passing for probably 7 or 8 years.

I think last year's team winning some games is feeding the narrative that this is just a mental collapse. It's not. It's the inevitable conclusion of a roster that fundamentally was never good enough.

I think it's a bit of both. Don't think they are as bad as they currently are playing (thereby, mental), but of course I'm on the same page that this core isn't good enough, has never been good enough, and that we have always needed to keep adding to our forward core.

I thought at one point that we were in good shape on D but that was before the bottom fell out on Nils and Robertson and DeAngelo imploded and Lindgren turned 32 before his 26th birthday.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think that defense is half the issue. The other half is a top 6 forward core who refuses to get to the middle of the ice & is content making east west passes praying for the royal road to open.

to use a boxing analogy they keep going for headshots even though their opponent has a high guard.... when some body shots open up the headshots. They refuse to do what is necessary to open up the kill shots.

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If Mika is not waiving or going anywhere... he needs to be demoted and moved to RW.

We need another Center. One that hustles and can skate well according to modern standards. He doesn't have to be Jack Hughes but another Chytil type would be nice.

 

[McRanger92]

I think that defense is half the issue. The other half is a top 6 forward core who refuses to get to the middle of the ice & is content making east west passes praying for the royal road to open.

Kreider trade is the most obvious near term shakeup to the top 6. Panarin can be approached in the summer about waiving with 1 year left.

 

[will1066]

to use a boxing analogy they keep going for headshots even though their opponent has a high guard.... when some body shots open up the headshots. They refuse to do what is necessary to open up the kill shots.

If Mika is not waiving or going anywhere... he needs to be demoted and moved to RW.

We need another Center. One that hustles and can skate well according to modern standards. He doesn't have to be Jack Hughes but another Chytil type would be nice.

to use an adult analogy, they refuse to engage in foreplay.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kreider trade is the most obvious near term shakeup to the top 6. Panarin can be approached in the summer about waiving with 1 year left.

Unfortunately we're still left with the boat anchor that is #93 & his contract.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Unfortunately he's not a C. This organization has an aversion to drafting Centers.

Yeah you are right, i was looking at it from a forward perspective not position perspective.

 

[Boris Zubov]

to use an adult analogy, they refuse to engage in foreplay.

That generation is all about instant gratification.

 

[mas0764]

@Machinehead is right. The team isn't good enough.

I think we have to look at the long term contracts to Lafreniere, Fox and Shesterkin as the pieces that will get us through and then be the vets on the next core, at this point.

Call it a retool or a rebuild, whatever. I don't think the team can plan on winning anything with Kreder/Zibanejad, and sadly, Panarin. I think Panarin is the kind of player I'd keep, but, if he accelerates the rebuild you can deal him too, cause while he will age well, I don't know if he sees the other side of another 3 year build.

You gotta put the f***ing screws to Zibanejad. Start now. Give him the Trouba treatment. I realize you can't say "Waive your NMC or you're going on waivers," but things have to start getting uncomfortable for him. Kreider should also go, both as a valuable piece that should be cashed in now, and because it will put pressure on Mika.

Stop handing out NTCs and NMCs too.

Time to look to the future. What, are we gonna salvage this season so that we can win a playoff round again? Who flippin' cares? We've seen that so many times.

Want a Championship contender. We never built one this time, sorry, everyone who disagreed with that over the years was wrong. We never built a team good enough to win it all. We built a team that had great goaltending and special teams and that's it. That's not the recipe for a Cup winner.

Start over and do it right this time. If they had listened last time, we would already be where we want to be.

Unfortunately we're still left with the boat anchor that is #93 & his contract.

If you move out salary, you can scratch him until he waives.

 

[mas0764]

And man, I have no idea why we gave that contract to Shesterkin.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I dont really care about Bill Zito or Florida. He has nothing to do with anything regarding the Rangers. Drury usually has been right when he's being "crude or overbearing". If Lavi isnt going to hold the players accountable, fire him. If Drury doesnt make more trades, he can also go.

Guy wins one cup and he's the GOAT. Newsflash a team wins a cup every year.

 

[McRanger92]

Unfortunately we're still left with the boat anchor that is #93 & his contract.

Mika isn't going to want to be here if his friends are gone and he's with a bunch of young guys who want to get their hands dirty.

And man, I have no idea why we gave that contract to Shesterkin.

The contract is a nothing burger once Kreider and Panarin and (god wiling) Zibanejad's contracts are off the books. At least Igor actually does his job. His numbers would be much better if the team in front of him wasnt an apathetic mess.

 

[mas0764]

The contract is a nothing burger once Kreider and Panarin and (god wiling) Zibanejad's contracts are off the books. At least Igor actually does his job. His numbers would be much better if the team in front of him wasnt an apathetic mess.

Yeah but it is going to be largely spent not competing, if they do it right.

We will see. He could be looking at competing again when he's 34.

 

[MrAlmost]

Trent Frederic is a great target. But the Bruins are playing better.

I wanted Cirelli really bad this summer. Good to see people that told me he sucked and Chytil was better now want him too.

We get that they need talent. But they also need a willingness to go to net, get shots, retrieve loose pucks, backcheck hard and forecheck harder. Thats playing with speed. So yes, more talent. But also more aggressive players.

Smith, Vesey and Lindgren would be gone by noon today if I were Drury. There are tough players that can play available right now. There are deals to be had.

JT Miller is a colossal douche bag, but maybe Mika for JT works for everyone. Make the move. If it backfires, the best part is that you weren't going anywhere anyways and it's just sports. Lives are not on the line.

Just need to be more aggressive. It's already f***ing december. Don't give me that wait till the deadline shit. f***ing boring.

 

[dieselbaby]

You gotta put the f***ing screws to Zibanejad. Start now. Give him the Trouba treatment. I realize you can't say "Waive your NMC or you're going on waivers," but things have to start getting uncomfortable for him. Kreider should also go, both as a valuable piece that should be cashed in now, and because it will put pressure on Mika

I fully agree, though when you consider that the response thus far has been to give Mika MORE ice time, I doubt we will see this kind of approach taken.

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah but it is going to be largely spent not competing, if they do it right.

We will see. He could be looking at competing again when he's 34.

Nah teams can turn it around quick in this league as long as they dont bottom out. The Rangers have 75% of a good roster under the age of 25. They can retool the veteran core and defense over the next 12-18 months and have room for big expenditures during the Eichel UFA summer.

 

[Charlie Conway]

Drury hasn't been too clear about what the plan is.

If moving Trouba was the only move for now, it's still not fixing a very flawed group, both on defense and at forward. Whether it's injuries, decline, a lack of motivation, or all of the above, something is very off. It's like there's no game plan half the time, and things are breaking down quick.

I respect what Kreider has done as a player for the Rangers, but if he's not part of the solution, he's part of the problem. Same with Trouba--I appreciate what he did as far as firing up the team for a turnaround and how he played initially, but he's been riding on that high for a while now.

It has nothing to do with the players as people, but, as hockey players, there's a bunch not going so right. I'd be in a lot of hot water at work if I had a 30% decline in numbers and didn't meet any goals.

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[McRanger92]

Trent Frederic is a great target. But the Bruins are playing better.

I wanted Cirelli really bad this summer. Good to see people that told me he sucked and Chytil was better now want him too.

We get that they need talent. But they also need a willingness to go to net, get shots, retrieve loose pucks, backcheck hard and forecheck harder. Thats playing with speed. So yes, more talent. But also more aggressive players.

Smith, Vesey and Lindgren would be gone by noon today if I were Drury. There are tough players that can play available right now. There are deals to be had.

JT Miller is a colossal douche bag, but maybe Mika for JT works for everyone. Make the move. If it backfires, the best part is that you weren't going anywhere anyways and it's just sports. Lives are not on the line.

Just need to be more aggressive. It's already f***ing december. Don't give me that wait till the deadline shit. f***ing boring.

I like all those suggestions.

To further your point, I like the idea of trading Kreider and Zibanejad together if possible, to another team in need of a big shakeup. Possibly make them more likely to leave. Buffalo, Boston and Nashville are 3 teams off the top of my head that could really use some veteran help in the top 6 at wing and C.

 

[mas0764]

Drury hasn't been too clear about what the plan is.

If moving Trouba was the only move for now, it's still not fixing a very flawed group, both on defense and at forward. Whether it's injuries, decline, a lack of motivation, or all of the above, something is very off. It's like there's no game plan half the time, and things are breaking down quick.

I respect what Kreider has done as a player for the Rangers, but if he's not part of the solution, he's part of the problem. Same with Trouba--I appreciate what he did as far as firing up the team for a turnaround and how he played initially, but he's been riding on that high for a while now.

It has nothing to do with the players as people, but, as hockey players, there's a bunch not going so right. I'd be in a lot of hot water at work if I had a 30% decline in numbers and didn't meet any goals.

I'm glad Drury got ruthless with Trouba but his history suggests he doesn't really have a great plan.

They'll probably rent at the deadline again.