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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)
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Boris Zubov
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Translation, I'm outta here in the Summer.
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Kreider should be moved if possible, he's one of the guys we could get a decent return for, presumably, and he's not getting any younger. I imagine the response from some of the fanbase though on such a trade would be unbelievably insufferable, I've already seen numerous people talking about how they'd be "done with the team" if Kreider were traded, that they would consider such a move to be sacrilege and "really dirty", etc.
This kind of mindset is cancerous, IMO. It's like these people would be happier to coddle the players and keep things copacetic in the locker room (supposedly) rather than do what needs to be done in order to win a championship. Which is certainly not happening any time soon with our current list of problems.
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Panarin to Dallas for Bourque + Bischel + DAL 1st '25 + DAL 1st '26
Lindgren to Colorado for Poolman (cap dump) + 2nd '25 + 5th '26
Smith @ 50% to Minnesota for Johansson (cap dump) + 2nd '25 + 5th '26
Kreider to Winnipeg for Iafallo (cap dump) + WPG 1st '25 + WPG 1st '26
Lindgren to Colorado for Poolman (cap dump) + 2nd '25 + 5th '26
Smith @ 50% to Minnesota for Johansson (cap dump) + 2nd '25 + 5th '26
Kreider to Winnipeg for Iafallo (cap dump) + WPG 1st '25 + WPG 1st '26
Eh, is it? He was available for a song for what felt like forever and most of this board lost its shit when a TDA for Bennett swap was floated. The amount of people telling me he was a worthless 4C was just... Bleh.
Mandar
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you can get gritty players....you can get "heart and soul" players....you can get bangers & grinders....all that is a nice thought. But....if the team has all of those, and doesnt implement a system to get the most out of it, whats the point?
When did this team revert to a system where every play has to be a high-percentage play? They want to make the diagonal 50-foot pass instead of shorter passes that move the puck quickly. They would rather stay on the perimeter rather than going to the net. Half the time, in the offensive zone, they have 3 attackers up by the blue lines. They cycle, but when they retrieve the puck, no one is in a prime scoring position (i.e., the top of the crease) to make it a threatening situation.
Opposing teams have a free path out of their zone....through the neutral zone....and dont get challenged until our D backs up to our own faceoff dots. I've not been a coach-hater, but how does this happen from coach to coach for the past few years in spite of our success.
I do think this team can be more competitive, but the game plan has to change....you can bring in various bandaids and try to build around grittyness....but theres gotta be a different philosophy.
When did this team revert to a system where every play has to be a high-percentage play? They want to make the diagonal 50-foot pass instead of shorter passes that move the puck quickly. They would rather stay on the perimeter rather than going to the net. Half the time, in the offensive zone, they have 3 attackers up by the blue lines. They cycle, but when they retrieve the puck, no one is in a prime scoring position (i.e., the top of the crease) to make it a threatening situation.
Opposing teams have a free path out of their zone....through the neutral zone....and dont get challenged until our D backs up to our own faceoff dots. I've not been a coach-hater, but how does this happen from coach to coach for the past few years in spite of our success.
I do think this team can be more competitive, but the game plan has to change....you can bring in various bandaids and try to build around grittyness....but theres gotta be a different philosophy.
Panarin tries to avoid any and all types of physical contact.
He’s small and a giant puss when it comes to getting dirty or taking a hit to make a play.
Laf and Tro have no problem with that type of game and the offensive chops to play with skill like Panarin.. That’s why that line works.
Line is a PASS
I call it the 2/3 system.
Kreider is not what I call physical. He uses his size more to shield the puck and make himself hard to move in front of the opposing net. But he doesn’t look to finish checks or use his body physically on the forecheck. He’ll will always defer to his foot speed 95% of the time.
Zibby much like Panarin avoids any and all type of contact he can. He’ll give a little half ass, half hearted effort on 1v1 physical battles, but he’ll look like a puss and lose most if not all of those situations.
Smith can get down and dirty at times and mix it up. But as he’s gotten older, that type of play has become fewer and farther between. He’s a placeholder on a contract year looking to get paid.
Line is a FAIL
Cuylle and Kakko both play a man’s game. They go anywhere on the ice and in front of the net.
Both don’t mind the rough stuff and are talented enough to score a bit.
Chytil can get hit by a piece of lint that falls off Lavi s suit when he’s skating by the bench and wind up out 4-6 weeks with a ( upper body injury) concussion protocol….
He is a large body and skilled hockey player. And he skates well and adds offense with his hands/shot.
Largely our best line all season.
This line is a PASS
I really like Edstrom. I’m happy to see that Lavi is trusting that line more and giving them a longer leash and more time.
Berard is good too. Big fight in a small Dog… both don’t mind contact.
Vesey is fine as a 4th line vet. But for the love of God defer to youth and energy. I think this is the swan song for him in NY.
Rempe is Rempe. He’s a marked man by refs so anything he does is magnified.
It’s a liability most of the time unless he’s going to fight or a brawl of a physical series.
carrick is the ????.
Some days I like him, some I don’t . I don’t think he’s talented enough offensively to move the needle for me. I would have preferred if they went with Edstrom at C from the start of camp, if he didn’t look good enough, shift him to wing and go trade for a 4C. They don’t cost much to acquire.
I’ll give this line an undetermined as of now…. See if Berard stays on 4th for long and if they get a solid dose of good minutes together.
Carrick is signed for 3 years. I hope he proves me wrong. He mixes it up, but the stupid play with bad penalties at bad times and inability to finish consistently has me thinking we could have done better with the kind of $$ we spent and price to acquire him.
I’m huge on hustle and effort. Just give me an honest night of hard work and hustle, don’t be a giant puss, and I’m usually a happy camper
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will1066
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Yeah. Saying that it doesn't bother him is indifference at best, and it was his agent that added that he wants to be in Ottawa. Didn't come from Brady's mouth directly.
I'm tampering this harder than 1982 Tylenol.
Honestly, looking at body language all over the ice, they just look like they don’t think they have to work hard, and they don’t think they SHOULD have to work hard. They look like a group that thinks they “belong” in the ECF and the regular season is some slog they want to fast forward through - but it doesn’t work that way and the reason the Cup is the hardest trophy to win is because you do have to slog through the regular season and battle through the playoffs. This team has no battle in their DNA. Mika looks like it’s such a disappointing shocker when he fans on a one-timer or hits the outside of the net. Like it was “supposed to” just go in like it used to. Fox looks bored and irritated when he has to actually skate back to retrieve a puck. They look as if they believe they’re entitled to success because they’ve been close a few times.
Meanwhile, for better or worse, they committed to Shesterkin for 8 years. He’s almost 29. Goalies typically start a bit later and last a bit longer. This is the new window. The next 4-5 years. Anyone older than Shesterkin should be gone. Start over. New window around your new franchise player. You chose to make him the franchise player, now build around him. Don’t try to shoehorn the guys from the old window - Mika, Bread, Kreider, etc. into the new window. Cut bait and make the goal being as competitive as possible in years 2-6 of Igor’s extension. It was Breae, Kreider and Zib’s team. For better or worse, it’s Shesterkin/Fox/Laf’s team now. If they think they’re going to keep running it back with this core, there is - quite literally - no reason to keep watching. It’s time for a new core.
Meanwhile, for better or worse, they committed to Shesterkin for 8 years. He’s almost 29. Goalies typically start a bit later and last a bit longer. This is the new window. The next 4-5 years. Anyone older than Shesterkin should be gone. Start over. New window around your new franchise player. You chose to make him the franchise player, now build around him. Don’t try to shoehorn the guys from the old window - Mika, Bread, Kreider, etc. into the new window. Cut bait and make the goal being as competitive as possible in years 2-6 of Igor’s extension. It was Breae, Kreider and Zib’s team. For better or worse, it’s Shesterkin/Fox/Laf’s team now. If they think they’re going to keep running it back with this core, there is - quite literally - no reason to keep watching. It’s time for a new core.
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McRanger92
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Kreider & Lindgren to Buffalo for Cozens + Greenway. Buffalo wants out of that big Cozens contract but are worried he becomes Reinhart or O'Reilly or Eichel elsewhere. I'll take that chance. Dahlin and Sammuelsson are on IR so they need a lefty Dman. Greenway is a rental but maybe he plays himself into the future plans doing Rempe type stuff but as a guy who can actually play in the league.
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Hoping we won't be going that route, but (as history suggests) you're most likely right.
But I do think the culture shift is sorely needed. As people, it sucks for Trouba and Goodrow to get pushed out that way, but, from the business side, a change needed to me made.
Even if it makes the Rangers somehow less desirable for free agents somehow (don't think it does--it's still NYC), it's not like signing UFAs has gotten us anywhere in the last 30 years. It'd be nice to have guys come here and know there's an established culture where they need to keep the work ethic up.
I'm not going to pretend to have any clue about what goes on behind the scenes, and I'm sure the players still work hard as professionals, but all of it adds up to something not being quite right. There needs to be another level to that expectation.
Boris Zubov
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I don't know what it is about this generation of sports fans thinking that it's sacrilege to trade players. Turnover is part of the deal when you invest your fandom, so this idea that everyone of your players is going to have a Jeter-esque run as a lifelong member of the team is braindead thinking.
I assume part of that is following the crowd on social media, but has critical thinking completely vanished? Isn't the goal to improve the team & win instead of idolizing a bunch of spoiled, entitled players who have seemingly checked out?
Boris Zubov
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No chance Winnipeg isn't on Kreider's no trade list. He won't waive for them & we're not putting him on waivers to lose him for nothing.
Kreider has a choice up to a point where he goes. I can't see him waive for Buffalo. The respectful thing to do is to trade him to an actual contender at the TDL so he can get a shot the cup.
will1066
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I think they know that they have to work hard. They just can't do it consistently for a bunch of reasons having to do with confidence, structure/strategy/plan, conditioning, age-related limitations, built-up habits, secret hate for others in the room, etc. It's a culmination of different things.
Bob Richards
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I actually wonder which teams appear most often on NTC lists
Winnipeg has gotta be on almost all of them outside of whoever is already on the team
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I dont really care what the respectful thing to do is, the Rangers need to get the best possible return. There will be a bidding war for him, even if only 17 teams are involved.
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Machinehead
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Yeah, I understand that, it just feels like UFA money on an element we already have.
McRanger92
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Im just sayin, hockey players are weird and their motivations are weird. Kreider is a particular oddball.
I also did not expect Trouba to waive for Anaheim over CBJ or Detroit, but here we are.
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Ray Ferraro is absolutely destroying Mika on his podcast with Dreger today.
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I've watched hockey since I was a kid, and I've watched it more seriously and followed prospects for the last 15 years. Can't tell you the number of times I've heard people say "they're done with the team," as I'm sure you've seen plenty yourself across social media and even this board.
My Dad is still pissed the Rangers traded Brad Park back in '75.
I remember people on Twitter being furious Dubinsky got moved as part of the Nash trade..."we're losing the very thing we need."
Brassard for Zibanejad was crazy to some. "Established center for a floundering prospect."
I can get being loyal to a player due to certain memories, but they're people in bodies that mature and age and slow down and change. It's an unfortunate mindset to have if you want the team to actually win anything. As much as Kreider is respected as a Ranger, he doesn't have a Derek Jeter resume to rest on as he gets into the latter part of his career.
If you're a fan of the game and team, you can see this team doesn't have what it takes right now.
