Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Lion Hound]

I could see the Rangers firing Laviolette in the near future if the team continues to lose. If the Rangers wanted to salvage the season and they can't move out more players until February, you could see them moving on. Laviolette is making $5M per. He has another season left on his contract. He has gotten fatter this season. Laviolette wears out his welcome quickly.

The entire group needs to be flushed. Keep Lafreiniere, Cuylle, Chytil and Scheider plus the other kids on the roster. The rest of them can go. Not today. Over the course of the next 18 months. Some go between now and this summer and some go next season. Igor stays obviously. I am sick of them all. Miller was awful last night. Fox can't generate anything 5 on 5. Move him please. The Rangers have good trade pieces to move. Bring in new young players and an extra first round pick or two. Perreault will be here next season. Othmann will be back soon. Between the players keep and the players the Rangers acquire, the Rangers can build a new core group.

Very surprised its not talked about more around the beat.

I feel like he just hasn't made any of the right moves this year. He sat Smith. He needs to send larger messages by sitting some of the guys not producing and callup guys from HFD that can inject some life. Everyone busts on Rempe as a giraffe on skates, but he injects life into the building everytime he plays.

 

[Kocur Dill]

It's good to see you. Damn, it's really good to see you. But I think you're appearing just because Vlasic and thus pickles were mentioned.

What can i say?

This team has no zest.

 

[Profet]

Trading Buch, signing Mika, signing Igor.

How the hell do you justify not 1 but 2 buyout, trade proof contracts?!

That Buch trade destroyed this team.

 

[LionsHeart]

Even with the success the last few years, you can’t just win trying to rely on your Power Play and goalie to bail you out. You need guys going to the net, forechecking, and play sound defensive hockey.

You can have 1 or 2 more perimeter players, you can’t have a whole team of them.

 

[Profet]

That Buch trade destroyed this team.

When was the last time a team traded their first line RW for... nothing?

 

[CLW]

That Buch trade destroyed this team.

And Drury's GM career.

 

[will1066]

What can i say?

This team has no zest.

All you're looking for is crisp zone exits, that's all, right?

 

[Mike in Houston]

Larry Brooks and Sean Avery get started at 44:10.

 

[LionsHeart]

And Drury's GM career.

Been playing catch up ever since. It was even worse when you saw the contract Buch got. It was completely reasonable.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I don't think Laviolette is on the hot seat yet.

Drury just delivered a huge shake up this week. Maybe he moves someone else by the deadline if the ship keeps floundering.

The team has to try to work through it. But the reality likely is they just aren't good enough.

This is probably the most sensible course of action. Self renting Lindgren would be dumb if this team is out of a playoff spot when the deadline comes. I think he's low hanging fruit that will go to a contender for a couple of day two picks.

Kreider is the darkhorse candidate to be dealt at the deadline. He could get a shit ton from the right GM.

 

[NYR Viper]

Trading Buch, signing Mika, signing Igor.

How the hell do you justify not 1 but 2 buyout, trade proof contracts?!

This is revisionist history with Mika, most everyone was okay with that contract and I think he rebounds eventually. He's clearly just not playing well but the skill is there.

He has had some low point but also some high points. The drafting from the organization has been much better and he's done an admirable job of finding good buy-low candidates to fill out a roster that needed to be changed but had no money to do so.

 

[CLW]

Very surprised its not talked about more around the beat.

I feel like he just hasn't made any of the right moves this year. He sat Smith. He needs to send larger messages by sitting some of the guys not producing and callup guys from HFD that can inject some life. Everyone busts on Rempe as a giraffe on skates, but he injects life into the building everytime he plays.

Rempe "injecting life" is just a symptom of the larger malaise.

 

[NYR Viper]

This is probably the most sensible course of action. Self renting Lindgren would be dumb if this team is out of a playoff spot when the deadline comes. I think he's low hanging fruit that will go to a contender for a couple of day two picks.

Kreider is the darkhorse candidate to be dealt at the deadline. He could get a shit ton from the right GM.

I'd move both as well as Smith and Vesey. It's time.

 

[CLW]

Been playing catch up ever since. It was even worse when you saw the contract Buch got. It was completely reasonable.

Imo Buch was kicked out more than he was traded. For whatever reason. Maybe the car crash with Igor. Maybe something else. But that trade was such an obvious abortion of a trade from the get go.

 

[eco's bones]

I'm beginning to think that the Goodrow move this summer was a lot more significant to the players than it should have been......and maybe ditto with Trouba. So maybe the Rangers need to figure out who's committed and who's not. If it's a war between management/coaching and the players maybe you dump Laviolette and Drury but some of the vets will need to go including Kreider and Zibanejad. I don't think Kreider could live without Mika anyway and Mika's been a train wreck almost the entire season.

I don't have an issue with how Panarin's playing. He continues to put up significant offense. He's doing what he's supposed to. I'm okay with Trocheck and the kids Lafreniere, Cuylle, Kakko and Chytil. Miller's been way too underwhelming. Lindgren's an obvious to move but the rest of the D are young.....I think Fox has always wanted to be a Ranger so I don't worry about him.

But really if the players aren't committed to the team and its goals things are going to implode....well they do seem to be imploding. If someone's got grievances they need to put them to the side or they need to go.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

This is revisionist history with Mika, most everyone was okay with that contract and I think he rebounds eventually. He's clearly just not playing well but the skill is there.

He has had some low point but also some high points. The drafting from the organization has been much better and he's done an admirable job of finding good buy-low candidates to fill out a roster that needed to be changed but had no money to do so.

People were definitely fine with the cap hit.

But that the team had no wiggle room to get out of the contract if he started sucking?

That same paranoia is alive and well now with Igor.

 

[McRanger92]

Zito. Intelligent. Went from agent > AGM > cup winning GM, demanding without being overbearing or crude.
Cooper. Intelligent. Holds his players accountable. Adaptable, can get his team to play multiple styles. Two time cup winner.

We have the wrong people in charge, so nothing moves forward.

Drury has held the player's accountable much more than Laviolette has. If anything, Drury's bad rep comes from holding players too accountable for the delicate sensibilities of the media. From overrated prospects who think the world of themselves (Krav, Lias) to well regarded veterans whose play has slipped to a point it can't go on (Goodrow, Trouba).

I really dont see the point of firing Drury that isnt just an overly emotional spaz out. Lavi is a different story. He could go at any moment. It would SHOCK me if he's still the coach if they lose to Buffalo.

 

[Gardner McKay]

This is the first time in many years that I think retooling is necessary. The claims last year for the Rangers to sell were asinine. Their performance this year has no impact on last year.

However, clearly something is wrong. Kreider. Mika. Lindgren. Panarin. All should be on the block.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'd move both as well as Smith and Vesey. It's time.

I doubt you could recoup the assets paid, but something.

Vesey maybe can get a 4th rounder because he makes nothing. Smith probably a 3rd.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I find it kind of humorous that the guy who was able to rid himself of Goodrow and Trouba without taking back ANY CAP and without trading ANY ASSETS to do so is somehow a bad GM? The guy is clearly moving in the right direction. He needs to continue moving in that direction but it's going to take time.

He also traded Buchnevich for garbage signed Goodrow and gave Mika a full nmc. All three of those things have been an issue, and I'm not giving him a pass on Trouba, that should have been done in the summer, you can't pretend to trade your captain then bring him back and expect everything to be hunky dorey.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

This is the first time in many years that I think retooling is necessary. The claims last year for the Rangers to sell were asinine. Their performance this year has no impact on last year.

However, clearly something is wrong. Kreider. Mika. Lindgren. Panarin. All should be on the block.

honestly, fox shouldnt be completely untouchable either.

the plan is there. build around laf, cuylle, schneider, and hopefully gabe. get picks and maybe a good prospect that can step in for guys like kreider/lindgren/trocheck/fox. try and add a big piece thats more in line with these guys ages (ie tkachuk). you have your goalie. time to rearrange the rest of the deck.

unfortunately getting rid if mika will be easier said than done. we may just have to hope he can wake the f*** up and at least be valuable as a 3C who’s a PP specialist

 

[I Eat Crow]

This is the first time in many years that I think retooling is necessary. The claims last year for the Rangers to sell were asinine. Their performance this year has no impact on last year.

However, clearly something is wrong. Kreider. Mika. Lindgren. Panarin. All should be on the block.

If you're going to retool this year and next at least and hand the keys over to Lafreniere, Fox, Chytil, Schneider, and Perreault, Panarin should be dealt this deadline. The team acquiring him will get two playoff runs out of him. The Rangers would have to retain to make it work, but that'll add to the price.

I keep looking at Dallas. They locked their goalie in. They have a 1D in their prime and a really well rounded defensive corps and a lot of talent up front. Just haven't been able to get over the Edmonton, Vegas, or Colorado hump. The time is now for them.

The package in return would start with a 1st, Bichsel, and goes from there.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

This is probably the most sensible course of action. Self renting Lindgren would be dumb if this team is out of a playoff spot when the deadline comes. I think he's low hanging fruit that will go to a contender for a couple of day two picks.

Kreider is the darkhorse candidate to be dealt at the deadline. He could get a shit ton from the right GM.

I would argue that even if they are in position to make the playoffs, move Lindgren.

Addition by subtraction. I would have no problem moving Kreider at any point because he's likely the chip that will bring back the most in return.

I would be shocked if they move Panarin. This is NY and they need to have that flashy forward star. Need to sell ticket packages.

Laf, Chytil, Cuylle, Gabe... none of them will approach that level. It should've been Laf and Kakko but that ship has sailed. Unless they find a way to bring in Brady or some other young star which is a longshot.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

This is revisionist history with Mika, most everyone was okay with that contract and I think he rebounds eventually. He's clearly just not playing well but the skill is there.

He has had some low point but also some high points. The drafting from the organization has been much better and he's done an admirable job of finding good buy-low candidates to fill out a roster that needed to be changed but had no money to do so.

On the flip side, many people also saw this coming. A big selling point on the deal was Zibanejad being a “shut down center” which was not really justified in his 5v5 data.

 

[NYR Viper]

I doubt you could recoup the assets paid, but something.

Vesey maybe can get a 4th rounder because he makes nothing. Smith probably a 3rd.

I'm fine with that. The Rangers have traded away so many picks over the last few years, even mid-round picks are valuable at this point

If you're going to retool this year and next at least and hand the keys over to Lafreniere, Fox, Chytil, Schneider, and Perreault, Panarin should be dealt this deadline. The team acquiring him will get two playoff runs out of him. The Rangers would have to retain to make it work, but that'll add to the price.

I keep looking at Dallas. They locked their goalie in. They have a 1D in their prime and a really well rounded defensive corps and a lot of talent up front. Just haven't been able to get over the Edmonton, Vegas, or Colorado hump. The time is now for them.

The package in return would start with a 1st, Bichsel, and goes from there.

I'd trade Panarin as well