Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

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The problem, at least this season, has been the forwards not giving any support. Not existing in the neutral zone, backing straight into the zone when they are offering no resistence, not even being in the frame when the defensemen are trying to get the puck out of the zone.

Amazingly, trading Jacob Trouba didn't make them give basic puck support. They still embarassingly flew the zone. They're still allergic to skating in straight lines, other than 4th liners and Cuylle.

It's the forwards. Sorry, stroke coming on again, forget all that. Ryan Lindgren Ryan Lindgren Ryan Lindgren Ryan Lindgren Ryan Lindgren Ryan Lindgren Ryan Lindgren.

Imagine that being the takeaway post Trouba.

You know what would help get the puck to those forwards? Competent puck movers. Now theres something to be said to adjusting your system to what you have to work with but this was a f***ing criticism that existed last year when the team was actually good. Lets not try to pretend that this JUST became a problem.

Aside from that, it IS possible for the forwards to be doing a shit job in providing support (they are) and Lindgren being a f***ing terrible player who does nothing to facilitate anything positive on the ice.




I think we're all missing something massive here. This is obvious 5D chess by Drury to tank hard for Hagens.. Gabe & James send us to the promised land. Wow, master class Chris. Didn't even see it coming. Bravo

Even in the unlikely event that they end up picking 1OA Hagens would be the wrong pick and I like the player.

Schaefer is a f***ing electric factory.
 

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Imagine that being the takeaway post Trouba.

You know what would help get the puck to those forwards? Competent puck movers. Now theres something to be said to adjusting your system to what you have to work with but this was a f***ing criticism that existed last year when the team was actually good. Lets not try to pretend that this JUST became a problem.

Aside from that, it IS possible for the forwards to be doing a shit job in providing support (they are) and Lindgren being a f***ing terrible player who does nothing to facilitate anything positive on the ice.
Imagination not necessary, I saw the other 42 minutes that Ryan Lindgren was not on the ice and it was the same thing. It's also been the case in the rest of the games in this slide.

I am not a fan of Ryan Lindgren in the slighest (I wanted him traded after the '22 Pittsburgh series), but he is not appreciably different than he has been for a couple years. Dark Ages-level forward support is what is different this year.
 

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I sure am glad we gave Shesterkin $11.5M a year, when we were the only ones that could give him the 8th year, just to lose to Chicago. I hate Seravalli with the passion of a thousand suns because he's a complete asshole but he made a decent point today. If you're Drury, you tell Igor "we're not trading your rights to a team before July 1st" and let him think about how much he would get over just 7 years.

Fire Drury.

Drury sucks, but It's an ownership thing.

There are worse owners in sports, but the decision to keep Igor comes from him.

The New York Rangers could never let a player as good as Igor walk.

The Rangers could never let anyone walk and they lock themselves into bad deals over and over and over
 

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Makes me moderately happy.

Also he’s in a similar position again. Askarov is the real deal and is going to come in very shortly and take Georgie’s job again. It’s Shesterkin in NY all over again, just Askarov is even younger and Georgie is older now.

Also just accidentally found out his dad’s name is Georgi Georgiyevich Georgiev. That is not a joke.

Triple G!
 

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I sincerely think Mika is going to dig his heels in. I think he's here for a lonnnnng time.
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So Tuch for Kreider ?

Lindgren for picks and then picks for a new LD
NO
buf says no and we don't want to move Kreider who is not the prob
Zib is the ruination of that line


Laviolette is going to get fired and its really just not his fault. But this team is legitimately unresponsive. They have zero energy. Lifeless efforts. They need a shakeup and the coach is the one position that is low hanging fruit to change. This group is a disappointment. The leadership in that room doesn’t exist anymore.

You have to hire Joel Quenneville. We are at the last resort desperation stage.
Immediately, Lindgren + Vesey out
Rempe in
mo mins to our mo productive D
except also, trade Fox before protection sets in
THAT will make a statement, and help

Gotta think outside he box here. Maybe we play him in goal until he quits, move his locker to the children’s play room, or lastly make Bern the president of the Mika fan club with all access weekly promotional meetings
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W/Sid + Geno way long in the tooth, and Malkin close to toast...
would they consider the disappointing Erik Karlsson for Mika?
Would we
would Zib waive?
 

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We are at a point now where, it doesn't matter who the coach is. The on ice result and lockerroom environment will not change. It's either move the core players who are upset how the team is being managed (Kreider and Zib we know about, are there others?) Or get rid of Drury.

Honestly, with how involved Dolan is with his teams, I'm not even sure getting rid of Drury will solve this issue.

This is probably being over dramatic but I think we are looking at a failed hockey team. It won't matter if they have one of the best coaches in NHL history. If some or most of your star players are disenfranchised to the point where they can't stop it from impacting their play, this team is just going one direction and that's down.
 
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I wonder if Drury will use the cap space at the trading deadline (In addition to Ranger trades), to take on salaries for other teams making trades to secure draft capital from them.
 
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Bill Guerin is the GM for the US at this 4 Nations Tourney... he's the GM for Minnesota. He selected Kreider and Trocheck for team US. Package those 2 to Guerin in the summer for a haul. Rossi is rumored to be on the block, they have a number of blue chip prospects.
I think the Kreider and Trochek pick was all Drury who is the assistant GM for team USA. Maybe even as an olive branch to Kreider for all the turmoil.
 
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I wonder if Drury will use the cap space at the trading deadline (In addition to Ranger trades), to take on salaries for other teams making trades to secure draft capital from them.
Not sure if it was Weekes or someone on NHL Network but the figure of 27 million would be available to Drury at the TDL if he doesn’t bring on salary between now and then.
If he moves on from Lindgren and/or Kreider and brings back less or zero salary that number will only grow. The early he makes those moves the larger the prorated TDL space available.
 
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Peter Laviolette can’t keep going like this and expect Rangers to change

Will Cuylle did not get a second of power-play ice time through the Rangers’ pair of man advantages and Will Cuylle did not get on the ice after Igor Shesterkin was pulled late in Monday’s 2-1 Garden defeat to the last-overall Blackhawks.

But Mika Zibanejad got 2:37 on the power play and Mika Zibanejad was one of the six on the ice for the final 2:09 in which the Blueshirts recorded one shot on net and had three attempts blocked, two of them by No. 93.

There is no intention to make Zibanejad a scapegoat, but if the Rangers expect things to change, if Peter Laviolette expects things to change from his perch behind the bench, then the head coach might want to do something differently.

For it is time — well past time, actually — for Laviolette to distribute ice time wholly on merit and not on reputation. By the way, it was Cuylle who scored his team’s lone goal — and shorthanded, don’t you know — by going to the slot to bury a rebound after PK-partner Sam Carrick drove to the net and forced Arvid Soderstrom to make a pad save.

Cuylle’s goal was his 10th of the year, and first that did not come at five-on-five. On a night when the Rangers barely touched a soul, Cuylle led the game with eight hits in 14:00 on the ice. He is fourth in the NHL (300:00 or more) with 18.66 hits per 60:00.

But on this night on which the Rangers were uninspired and could get nothing going that even resembled a push, Cuylle got the eighth-most ice time among forwards.
If Laviolette wants change, the head coach will have to be the change.

This is not about turning Zibanejad into a scapegoat. His level of desperation has increased over the last week, but not necessarily his execution. He does look like a shell of himself, and not only at the offensive end where there have been a series of misfires and mistakes with the puck.

Zibanejad’s five-on-five production has been an intermittent issue over the last five seasons. But even when No. 93 was enduring one of his goal-scoring droughts, he was also superior at the other end of the ice, where the center took on so much of Chris Kreider’s defensive-zone responsibilities.

You could always count on Zibanejad to emerge with one of the club’s highest goals-for percentages. When matched against the opposition’s top guns, the Rangers generally did come out on top in best-on-best.

But Zibanejad’s game has slipped without the puck and in the defensive zone. His turnover/giveaway behind Shesterkin’s net led directly to Tyler Bertuzzi’s goal in front at 8:10 of the first period to give Chicago — losers of five straight entering the contest — the 1-0 lead.

The Swede has been on for 3.85 goals-against per 60:00 at five-on-five. Last year, it was 2.21 and two years ago it was 1.86 GA per 60:00. It’s never been higher than 2.88 GA/60 throughout No. 93’s career. He has been on for 12 goals for and 21 against, which equates to a 36.36 goals-share. Last year it was 54.12 and two years ago it was 60.00.

Laviolette has to stop defaulting to Zibanejad. Laviolette also has to stop defaulting to the first power-play unit. Yes, the Blueshirts had gone 6-for-12 coming into the match, but it was evident that they could not make a pass and could not get to the inside on their first try. The second unit — with Cuylle, with Alexis Lafreniere, with Zac Jones — should have gotten the second try. They did not.

GM Chris Drury said on Saturday that he would like to allow the team to catch a breath and to consolidate. But after this homestand through which the Blueshirts went 2-3 facing Montreal, New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Seattle and Chicago, there is no time to waste.

There is something lost in translation from the time the club meets in the room and goes onto the ice. The best of intentions become something unrecognizable.

“We’re all fired up in here before each game. We want to turn this around more badly than anyone,” Ryan Lindgren told The Post. “We want to do whatever it takes. We’re ready to go.
“But then it’s tough to say what happens, these last couple of games we’ve thought it’s been a little better and we’re going in the right direction but then this one tonight, it just doesn’t seem like it’s going our way.

“We have to change things ourselves and be better.”

Zibanejad has not been close to his best self but neither has Chris Kreider, neither has Vincent Trocheck and neither has Adam Fox, not really even close to that.

But if change is not coming from the outside via Drury, then it must start with Laviolette. Same old, same old is just old, and it hasn’t even been close to being good enough.
 

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NYR should def just punt this season, unless there is some miracle turn around the players have given up this year. I could Vancouver adding either Miller or Lindgren. I wouldn't expect much more than a 2nd or a former 2nd round pick who has fallen out of favor with the Canucks. For someone like Miller, I could see NYR targeting a young cost controlled prospect who should be close to making the jump to NYR. I do wonder if NYR could get someone like Willander+ or Lekkerimaki + for Miller. I'm probably over inflating Miller's value but after someone took Trouba at full salary I wouldn't be surprised if Miller got a pretty big haul. He still has a ton of potential but if they don't fire Hously, he just doesn't fit this system.
 

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Drury sucks, but It's an ownership thing.

There are worse owners in sports, but the decision to keep Igor comes from him.

The New York Rangers could never let a player as good as Igor walk.

The Rangers could never let anyone walk and they lock themselves into bad deals over and over and over
Not having Igor locked up before you start screwing with Goodrow and Trouba was a massive fail, there was no way Igor was signing anything without a full nmc.
 

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NO
buf says no and we don't want to move Kreider who is not the prob
Zib is the ruination of that line



Immediately, Lindgren + Vesey out
Rempe in
mo mins to our mo productive D
except also, trade Fox before protection sets in
THAT will make a statement, and help


1. outside the box = who ya gonna call?
Our most creative poster

2. da MZ fan club = DON'T TEMPT ME

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W/Sid + Geno way long in the tooth, and Malkin close to toast...
would they consider the disappointing Erik Karlsson for Mika?
Would we
would Zib waive?

Kreider is tradeable
Zib is not
 

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Laviolette is going to get fired and its really just not his fault. But this team is legitimately unresponsive. They have zero energy. Lifeless efforts. They need a shakeup and the coach is the one position that is low hanging fruit to change. This group is a disappointment. The leadership in that room doesn’t exist anymore.

You have to hire Joel Quenneville. We are at the last resort desperation stage.

Said it before. Everything we complained about with Vingnaults room has been transfered to this room with Kreider and Mika as the leaders who learned bad leadership from the Vignault team.

Full stop.
 

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Not sure if it was Weekes or someone on NHL Network but the figure of 27 million would be available to Drury at the TDL if he doesn’t bring on salary between now and then.
If he moves on from Lindgren and/or Kreider and brings back less or zero salary that number will only grow. The early he makes those moves the larger the prorated TDL space available.
Which players are the Rangers acquiring to change their fortunes this season?

Everyone talks about how much cap space is available and the team stinks.

The team is awful. Drury needs to subtract players instead of splurging on the available cap space. Which disasters are the Rangers acquiring with the space?
 

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The micro problem is that the 6 defensemen we have are butter soft, and we don't have 1 pair who can move the puck effectively.

The macro problem is that the team's longest tenured leaders (Kreider & Zibanejad) have floated 5v5 for so long that they literally don't even look like they remember what effective hockey looks like. They are mentally weak and the bandaid needs to be ripped off sooner than later because the team's play can't continue.

The people talking about tanking and Hagens need to save their breathe. If you think Drury is rebuilding off of the Laf & Igor extensions, you're out to lunch. He's going to trade bodies off the roster for guys who want to be here/play the way the Rangers need to play. The more games they lose, the sooner the purge of Kreider, Mika, Lindgren, Miller, Kakko and others for players who actually give a shit about winning 1 on1 battles, hitting and playing defense.

Both. Today

Hard to argue against it at this point. Messier and Quenneville, come on down!
 

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Which players are the Rangers acquiring to change their fortunes this season?

Everyone talks about how much cap space is available and the team stinks.

The team is awful. Drury needs to subtract players instead of splurging on the available cap space. Which disasters are the Rangers acquiring with the space?
And other than an injured Brennan Othmann, there aren't any prospects with top 6 forward projection, and zero with top 4 D potential playing in Hartford.

Doors closed. Lights out. Rosie O' Donnell is singing Frank Sinatra.

Igor should of taken a trade or signed somewhere else in July. Dudes gonna get PTSD from all the shots he's gonna face.

Disgusted by these entitled quitters and their temper tantrums over Goodrow and Trouba.

Kreider, Zib, Fox, Miller, Lindgren. Disgraceful.

Laf has been meh at best since becoming a multi millionaire.

An entire team cannot play like this without some kind of collective quit. Who orchestrated this, and how is that lockeroom continuing to let this happen?

Only answer i see is that the core quit on the Organization.

Not Lavys fault, but if they get wiped in Buffalo, I think he is gonna take the fall.

Mika and Kreider kill another one.
 
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I could see the Rangers firing Laviolette in the near future if the team continues to lose. If the Rangers wanted to salvage the season and they can't move out more players until February, you could see them moving on. Laviolette is making $5M per. He has another season left on his contract. He has gotten fatter this season. Laviolette wears out his welcome quickly.

The entire group needs to be flushed. Keep Lafreiniere, Cuylle, Chytil and Scheider plus the other kids on the roster. The rest of them can go. Not today. Over the course of the next 18 months. Some go between now and this summer and some go next season. Igor stays obviously. I am sick of them all. Miller was awful last night. Fox can't generate anything 5 on 5. Move him please. The Rangers have good trade pieces to move. Bring in new young players and an extra first round pick or two. Perreault will be here next season. Othmann will be back soon. Between the players keep and the players the Rangers acquire, the Rangers can build a new core group.
 

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