Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I liked the Sutter recommendation.I honestly just want to see these guys get their asses chewed out.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I liked the Sutter recommendation.I honestly just want to see these guys get their asses chewed out.

Its possible that's happening now and maybe the reason everyone has checked out.

 

[bernmeister]

Kreider is tradeable
Zib is not

stupid to move ck
zib can be forced

 

[mxyxptlk]

Peter Laviolette can’t keep going like this and expect Rangers to change​

Will Cuylle did not get a second of power-play ice time through the Rangers’ pair of man advantages and Will Cuylle did not get on the ice after Igor Shesterkin was pulled late in Monday’s 2-1 Garden defeat to the last-overall Blackhawks.

But Mika Zibanejad got 2:37 on the power play and Mika Zibanejad was one of the six on the ice for the final 2:09 in which the Blueshirts recorded one shot on net and had three attempts blocked, two of them by No. 93.

There is no intention to make Zibanejad a scapegoat, but if the Rangers expect things to change, if Peter Laviolette expects things to change from his perch behind the bench, then the head coach might want to do something differently.

For it is time — well past time, actually — for Laviolette to distribute ice time wholly on merit and not on reputation. By the way, it was Cuylle who scored his team’s lone goal — and shorthanded, don’t you know — by going to the slot to bury a rebound after PK-partner Sam Carrick drove to the net and forced Arvid Soderstrom to make a pad save.

Cuylle’s goal was his 10th of the year, and first that did not come at five-on-five. On a night when the Rangers barely touched a soul, Cuylle led the game with eight hits in 14:00 on the ice. He is fourth in the NHL (300:00 or more) with 18.66 hits per 60:00.

But on this night on which the Rangers were uninspired and could get nothing going that even resembled a push, Cuylle got the eighth-most ice time among forwards.
If Laviolette wants change, the head coach will have to be the change.

This is not about turning Zibanejad into a scapegoat. His level of desperation has increased over the last week, but not necessarily his execution. He does look like a shell of himself, and not only at the offensive end where there have been a series of misfires and mistakes with the puck.

Zibanejad’s five-on-five production has been an intermittent issue over the last five seasons. But even when No. 93 was enduring one of his goal-scoring droughts, he was also superior at the other end of the ice, where the center took on so much of Chris Kreider’s defensive-zone responsibilities.

You could always count on Zibanejad to emerge with one of the club’s highest goals-for percentages. When matched against the opposition’s top guns, the Rangers generally did come out on top in best-on-best.

But Zibanejad’s game has slipped without the puck and in the defensive zone. His turnover/giveaway behind Shesterkin’s net led directly to Tyler Bertuzzi’s goal in front at 8:10 of the first period to give Chicago — losers of five straight entering the contest — the 1-0 lead.

The Swede has been on for 3.85 goals-against per 60:00 at five-on-five. Last year, it was 2.21 and two years ago it was 1.86 GA per 60:00. It’s never been higher than 2.88 GA/60 throughout No. 93’s career. He has been on for 12 goals for and 21 against, which equates to a 36.36 goals-share. Last year it was 54.12 and two years ago it was 60.00.

Laviolette has to stop defaulting to Zibanejad. Laviolette also has to stop defaulting to the first power-play unit. Yes, the Blueshirts had gone 6-for-12 coming into the match, but it was evident that they could not make a pass and could not get to the inside on their first try. The second unit — with Cuylle, with Alexis Lafreniere, with Zac Jones — should have gotten the second try. They did not.

GM Chris Drury said on Saturday that he would like to allow the team to catch a breath and to consolidate. But after this homestand through which the Blueshirts went 2-3 facing Montreal, New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Seattle and Chicago, there is no time to waste.

There is something lost in translation from the time the club meets in the room and goes onto the ice. The best of intentions become something unrecognizable.

“We’re all fired up in here before each game. We want to turn this around more badly than anyone,” Ryan Lindgren told The Post. “We want to do whatever it takes. We’re ready to go.
“But then it’s tough to say what happens, these last couple of games we’ve thought it’s been a little better and we’re going in the right direction but then this one tonight, it just doesn’t seem like it’s going our way.

“We have to change things ourselves and be better.”

Zibanejad has not been close to his best self but neither has Chris Kreider, neither has Vincent Trocheck and neither has Adam Fox, not really even close to that.

But if change is not coming from the outside via Drury, then it must start with Laviolette. Same old, same old is just old, and it hasn’t even been close to being good enough.

During the first intermission, they were saying pretty much the same thing -- Rangers had 7 hits and Cyulle had 4 of them....Cuylle scored the SHG and was all around our most effective forward in the first; yet, by some miracle, he only played 4 minutes in the entire period!!!! Go figure.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Normally when teams hit rock bottom you start to see fights in practice but this team is so f***ing soft the closest we’ll get to a fight is one of Mika or Kreider asking for a divorce in the bromance.

 

[McRanger92]

Normally when teams hit rock bottom you start to see fights in practice but this team is so f***ing soft the closest we’ll get to a fight is one of Mika or Kreider asking for a divorce in the bromance.

2 Guys living off the backs of Hall of Fame goalies their entire rangers careers, wilting when the bill comes due. I think we're watching Kreider's last days as a Ranger. It's the only hope to get Mika to be willing to leave. Im not to broken up about it.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Normally when teams hit rock bottom you start to see fights in practice but this team is so f***ing soft the closest we’ll get to a fight is one of Mika or Kreider asking for a divorce in the bromance.

Just spit on each other. That is what Miller does when he gets mad.

 

[Vitto79]

Buffalo wouldn't do that.

A good LD is going to cost more than whatever we would get for Lindgren.

You are likely right but they need a shake up of some sorts too

 

[Mike in Houston]

These guys could go and I wouldn't be particularly upset about it.

In order:

Mika
Miller
Lindgren
Kakko
Smith
Brodz
Trocheck
Vesey

 

[Kocur Dill]

I could see the Rangers firing Laviolette in the near future if the team continues to lose. If the Rangers wanted to salvage the season and they can't move out more players until February, you could see them moving on. Laviolette is making $5M per. He has another season left on his contract. He has gotten fatter this season. Laviolette wears out his welcome quickly.

The entire group needs to be flushed. Keep Lafreiniere, Cuylle, Chytil and Scheider plus the other kids on the roster. The rest of them can go. Not today. Over the course of the next 18 months. Some go between now and this summer and some go next season. Igor stays obviously. I am sick of them all. Miller was awful last night. Fox can't generate anything 5 on 5. Move him please. The Rangers have good trade pieces to move. Bring in new young players and an extra first round pick or two. Perreault will be here next season. Othmann will be back soon. Between the players keep and the players the Rangers acquire, the Rangers can build a new core group.

If i was GMCD, the players im moving, im looking for bonafied killers on Defense in return.

We have the Goalie locked in. The long term plan should be build from the net out immediately, then backfill the forwards with kids and fill in the gaps with UFA's.

I'd keep Schneider and Mancini. Everyone else is on the table to target Defensman who may not even be currently on the table. Get Pro Scouting oit there to identify 8-10 guys who fit a style, then start making phone calls to piece together 4 of them that are attainable even if there is an overpay.

Lafrenierre, Cuylle, Berard, Edstrom are the only roster forwards im not moving. Chytil is a ride-or-die for us. I think his value to us is tenfold that of the risk another GM would see him as. Besides the fact I have no problem with how he plays for us.

Perreault is the only prospect thats a no-go. Othmann is not off limits, but he eats alot of value in a trade.

Tkachuk in the summer after we purge the room a bit. He's my Captain if we dont land a similar minded Defensman first.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

If i was GMCD, the players im moving, im looking for bonafied killers on Defense in return.

We have the Goalie locked in. The long term plan should be build from the net out immediately, then backfill the forwards with kids and fill in the gaps with UFA's.

I'd keep Schneider and Mancini. Everyone else is on the table to target Defensman who may not even be currently on the table. Get Pro Scouting oit there to identify 8-10 guys who fit a style, then start making phone calls to piece together 4 of them that are attainable even if there is an overpay.

Lafrenierre, Cuylle, Berard, Edstrom are the only roster forwards im not moving. Chytil is a ride-or-die for us. I think his value to us is tenfold that of the risk another GM would see him as. Besides the fact I have no problem with how he plays for us.

Perreault is the only prospect thats a no-go. Othmann is not off limits, but he eats alot of value in a trade.

Tkachuk in the summer after we purge the room a bit. He's my Captain if we dont land a similar minded Defensman first.

Nah, we just need better perimeter guys and danglers. We need to get back to Petr Nedved drop pass to nowhere hockey

 

[The Crypto Guy]

stupid to move ck
zib can be forced

Why exactly is is stupid? Are you watching the games? Country Club Kreider is checked out. Guy does absolutely nothing and the rest of the team takes after his lazy attitude.

 

[McRanger92]

These guys could go and I wouldn't be particularly upset about it.

In order:

Mika
Miller
Lindgren
Kakko
Smith
Brodz
Trocheck
Vesey

You forgot someone

 

[Daves a mess]

Just spit on each other. That is what Miller does when he gets mad.

From that moment on, I lost all respect for that guy.

You just don't do that. Coward move.

 

[McRanger92]

From that moment on, I lost all respect for that guy.

You just don't do that. Coward move.

He has more games suspended for spitting than he does fights in his career. He's 6'5. Trade him yesterday before another team realizes he sucks and it's too late. Yesterday's game was a Tom Poti/Wade Redden special by him.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Why exactly is is stupid? Are you watching the games? Country Club Kreider is checked out. Guy does absolutely nothing and the rest of the team takes after his lazy attitude.

The hate for Kreider is strong with this one.

You forgot someone

Right. Laviolette straight up for Tortorella. It's like we'll be right back to 2012.

 

[NYR Viper]

I find it kind of humorous that the guy who was able to rid himself of Goodrow and Trouba without taking back ANY CAP and without trading ANY ASSETS to do so is somehow a bad GM? The guy is clearly moving in the right direction. He needs to continue moving in that direction but it's going to take time.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

If they can get good value for Kreider, send it.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Which players are the Rangers acquiring to change their fortunes this season?

Everyone talks about how much cap space is available and the team stinks.

The team is awful. Drury needs to subtract players instead of splurging on the available cap space. Which disasters are the Rangers acquiring with the space?

From my point of view I see only two paths forward that doesn’t end in the same mediocre Rangers that have brought one cup in 80+ years.
First, in four a penny, in for a £.
Out:
Lindgren
Miller
Kreider
Prospects (No one is safe)

In:
Two big body LD that don’t overplay their position
Second line Center and hope either Chytil can stay healthy or Zibanejad turns it around.

Second Path tear it down while you can still salvage it.

Out:
Smith
Kreider
Lindgren
Miller
Carrick
Vesey
Shesterkin

Here’s the reality as we stand now:

Other than Rempe, everyone from the minor's who could help is already here.

Would love to see Mollie and Larry do a special edition of Up in the Blue Seats podcast and instead of Boyle bring in Neil Smith or some other former front office guy (who is not looking to get back in the game) who can speak freely and have them pick his brain and also give their own opinions on “What should the Rangers do?”.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Brooks is woke


“If Peter Laviolette expects things to change from his perch behind the bench, then the head coach might want to do something differently.”

 

[CLW]

Zito. Intelligent. Went from agent > AGM > cup winning GM, demanding without being overbearing or crude.
Cooper. Intelligent. Holds his players accountable. Adaptable, can get his team to play multiple styles. Two time cup winner.

We have the wrong people in charge, so nothing moves forward.

 

[JohnC]

The hate for Kreider is strong with this one.

Jumbo’s been whining about Kreider for years, it’s nothing new.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Nah, we just need better perimeter guys and danglers. We need to get back to Petr Nedved drop pass to nowhere hockey

Ive seen more passes to empty ice, receivers heels, or directly to opposition tape recenlty than i have beers to spill in rage.

 

[will1066]

Ive seen more passes to empty ice, receivers heels, or directly to opposition tape recenlty than i have beers to spill in rage.

It's good to see you. Damn, it's really good to see you. But I think you're appearing just because Vlasic and thus pickles were mentioned.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

I find it kind of humorous that the guy who was able to rid himself of Goodrow and Trouba without taking back ANY CAP and without trading ANY ASSETS to do so is somehow a bad GM? The guy is clearly moving in the right direction. He needs to continue moving in that direction but it's going to take time.

Trading Buch, signing Mika, signing Igor.

How the hell do you justify not 1 but 2 buyout, trade proof contracts?!