Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIV: There ain't no gettin' off of this train we're on

[Ola]

Don't sign Kovy. Sign some bargin bin UFAs that might only be able to get 1 or 2 year deals. Next season is what it is. It's going be bad but it will help push this team forward for long term success.

Don't rush the kids if they aren't ready. Don't burn precious ELC years. Move Zucc at the draft. Pick up another 1st. Package those picks to get another top 10. If the Oilers get pick 2 or 3, kick the tires if they want Kreider for their #1. That's a team that had to do better next season or the entire front office is going to get canned.

I'd hang on to Spooner and Names unless someone blows your socks off. They are still young and can be good depth pieces as the kids mature. Same for Hayes and Vesey.

I kind of like Gorton’s approach to Names and Spooner.

Centers are always very valuable around the league. These two have not had an opportunity to come in and play a little bigger role at center. If they do that and do it well — they could become a lot more valuable on the market.

We of course need centers too, but the key for us I think is to find that leading guy. Someone that can a strong No 1 guy. Between Ziba, Hayes, Chytil and Andersson we should have a fair shot at sorting out the other slots. And sure both Names/Spooner could be in the plans going forward — but asset management is always important and they could also definitely end up having more value to us as trade assets.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Leo Komarov is another guy I'd take on a short deal. Would Gorton consider overpaying guys for a year (say komarov can get 2 years @ $2m on the open market but because of the cap space, he offer $3m for 1 year) to accrue possible pieces th team can use for 3/4 of the year while the young guys marinate and then can be flipped at the deadline?

That's what I'm hoping for. Komorov, Fillipula, Holden, JMFJ, Bozak, Perron, Hamhuis, Cole etc.

I can see all those players having to take 1 year deals due to teams focusing on younger players and not wanting to give out long term deals.

 

[Synergy27]

Not really, they were an extremely expensive team made of a lot of big name guys they got in free agency. Vegas has $6M in empty cap space and a bunch of guys who on their own don't seem like much at all.

To be clear, I'm not saying they should add FAs next year or that they will be or even can be close to what Vegas is this year, I'm just saying I don't think they'll be the level of trainwreck they've been this year because they'll likely have better coaching and a bunch of guys who have a lot to prove.

Gotcha. I'm coming at it from the perspective that I don't think teams constructed of all good 2/3 liners but no superstar skaters can win the Cup. The Rangers and Vegas are similar in the respect to me. TBD obviously.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That's what I'm hoping for. Komorov, Fillipula, Holden, JMFJ, Bozak, Perron, Hamhuis, Cole etc.

I can see all those players having to take 1 year deals due to teams focusing on younger players and not wanting to give out long term deals.

I think Komorov, Johnson, Bozak and Cole all get multi year deals.

The others I agree with.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

He'll have more redemption opportunity than Redden got but I'm also thinking, given his contract, if he goes up and down, it'll be for long stretches, Unless he returns to last post-season form. Redden was on the decline for a few years, Smith really just fell off the face of the earth pretty rapidly... roughly the same age... did he just hit a wall? Rare but some guys like MSL have it until they don't. Regardless of age though... guys like Redden peak early and go down slowly but early.

 

[NernieBichols]

THats gold. Big ole belly laugh. Everyone is being all snarky and calling people out to lunch for not realizing the fore-gone that the rangers aren't gonna be in on so-so and are gonna be rebuilding for 3 years min. Friedman says the exact opposite. Jovacop posts it and the room has been silent for an hr.

Know it alls. Az from elbows

And you all know who you are. I've read the threads since the trade and soooo many people are soooo sure about things. And calling people delusional and laughable. It's funny stuff on hfboards. Obviously you want a 3 year rebuild and 3 top-5 picks. Ill take a cup if I may. Y'all being delusional on EK and Tavares not being franchise changers. Then add the picks/prospects/assets/options on top of it. You can build a team mighty fast.

 

[Avery16]

Unless he wants a NTC then won't waive. I also don't think he'd going to take less then 3 or 4 years. 35+ contract if I'm not mistaken.

He's coming to the NHL to play out the rest of his professional years. Don't think he's going risk being moved around when he's moving back here from Russia.

That’s a different scenario altogether. Max two years, no NMC, at most a 10 team no trade.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Gorton wants a new core. Stepan. Brassard. McDonagh. Nash. Grabner. Miller. Holden. Zucc was almost moved at the deadline. He’s a goner at the draft or next deadline.

Read Gortons quotes about Namestnikov and Spooner. There are no commitments there with either player.

He’s flushing the franchise and rebuilding it from the ground up. The blueprint is still in the works. This will take time. Those assuming we’re back in the hunt next season are in for an ugly ride.

Tavares? Kovalchuck? Karlsson?

Cmon people. Get off that mentality. Those guys will be looking for monster contracts. Kovalchuck deserted his former team. **** that guy.

Be patient. Expect a rough ride; or better yet, embrace it. Sather had an opportunity to do this over a decade ago and he completely screwed it up by trying to accelerate the rebuild. Gorts won’t make that idiotic mistake.

 

[haveandare]

THats gold. Big ole belly laugh. Everyone is being all snarky and calling people out to lunch for not realizing the fore-gone that the rangers aren't gonna be in on so-so and are gonna be rebuilding for 3 years min. Friedman says the exact opposite. Jovacop posts it and the room has been silent for an hr.

Know it alls. Az from elbows

And you all know who you are. I've read the threads since the trade and soooo many people are soooo sure about things. And calling people delusional and laughable. It's funny stuff on hfboards. Obviously you want a 3 year rebuild and 3 top-5 picks. Ill take a cup if I may. Y'all being delusional on EK and Tavares not being franchise changers. Then add the picks/prospects/assets/options on top of it. You can build a team mighty fast.

Lol you literally call others delusional 3 sentences after getting on others for doing just that.

Another source said they have a 3 year plan. Forgot who. They’re not likely to break the bank for FAs next year imo

 

[haveandare]

Gorton wants a new core. Stepan. Brassard. McDonagh. Nash. Grabner. Miller. Holden. Zucc was almost moved at the deadline. He’s a goner at the draft or next deadline.

Read Gortons quotes about Namestnikov and Spooner. There are no commitments there with either player.

He’s flushing the franchise and rebuilding it from the ground up. The blueprint is still in the works. This will take time. Those assuming we’re back in the hunt next season are in for an ugly ride.

Tavares? Kovalchuck? Karlsson?

Cmon people. Get off that mentality. Those guys will be looking for monster contracts. Kovalchuck deserted his former team. **** that guy.

Be patient. Expect a rough ride; or better yet, embrace it. Sather had an opportunity to do this over a decade ago and he completely screwed it up by trying to accelerate the rebuild. Gorts won’t make that idiotic mistake.

Not saying we should or will get either but there’s a whole universe of difference between Kovalchuk and Ek/Tavares.

 

[RGY]

Kovalchuk will not get big dollars. Plus he falls under the 35+ contract rules.

 

[Tawnos]

I would be surprised if the rebuild was as monolithic as people portray.

There’s more than one idea that will be explored. Hell, outside of the elite talent things, most successful rebuilds have a large aspect of throwing shit against the wall until something sticks.

 

[Avery16]

He'll have more redemption opportunity than Redden got but I'm also thinking, given his contract, if he goes up and down, it'll be for long stretches, Unless he returns to last post-season form. Redden was on the decline for a few years, Smith really just fell off the face of the earth pretty rapidly... roughly the same age... did he just hit a wall? Rare but some guys like MSL have it until they don't. Regardless of age though... guys like Redden peak early and go down slowly but early.

You’re assuming he’s actually trying.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Not saying we should or will get either but there’s a whole universe of difference between Kovalchuk and Ek/Tavares.

Never compared them. I bundled them together because people are bringing up their names up. EK + JT will get monster contracts. Those guys want a cup. We’re clearly rebuilding. Not a good fit.

Kovalchucks about to turn 35 in a few weeks. Why are we signing him? Because we need an old, overpriced deserter for our rebuild? **** that. Save the cap space. Give that ice time to someone who needs the development.

People need to stop looking for short cuts. Gorton wants a new core. Look at the players he’s acquired. Hajek, Lindgren, Howden. Three high character future leaders. We invested our 7th overall on another future leader in Andersson.

Gortons doing it right.

 

[duhmetreE]

Why is everyone insisting on MZA being traded at the draft? I'm not saying it can't happen but isn't he more valuable to this team than what he'd return? We need high-end talent. He will not return that

I personally think he'll be extended 3 years around his current cap hit and be named Captain.

 

[bl02]

Why is everyone insisting on MZA being traded at the draft? I'm not saying it can't happen but isn't he more valuable to this team than what he'd return? We need high-end talent. He will not return that

I personally think he'll be extended 3 years around his current cap hit and be named Captain.

I agree with you. I don't think we would get close to his value back but it seems many are on board with shipping him out for more picks. He won't return a top pick unfortunately

 

[Ghost of jas]

Why is everyone insisting on MZA being traded at the draft? I'm not saying it can't happen but isn't he more valuable to this team than what he'd return? We need high-end talent. He will not return that

I personally think he'll be extended 3 years around his current cap hit and be named Captain.

Because it’s been made pretty clear the Rangers were also listening to offers for him. If you’re expecting the Rangers to sign him long term after his next contract is up, I think you’re going to be disappointed.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why is everyone insisting on MZA being traded at the draft? I'm not saying it can't happen but isn't he more valuable to this team than what he'd return? We need high-end talent. He will not return that

I personally think he'll be extended 3 years around his current cap hit and be named Captain.

All signs point to him being moved.

Brooks has said as much and hes been spot on with everything so far. Carp even said as much.

They tried to move him prior to Monday and rumor has it that they tried to push him on Tampa instead of JT but Yzerman insisted on JT. I don't know if I believe that, but theres a ton of smoke around Zucc to suggest that something is burning.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Really hoping for Zucc to Dallas for Spezza, 2018 #1, Tufte and Nyberg.

 

[kovazub94]

Never compared them. I bundled them together because people are bringing up their names up. EK + JT will get monster contracts. Those guys want a cup. We’re clearly rebuilding. Not a good fit.

Kovalchucks about to turn 35 in a few weeks. Why are we signing him? Because we need an old, overpriced deserter for our rebuild? **** that. Save the cap space. Give that ice time to someone who needs the development.

People need to stop looking for short cuts. Gorton wants a new core. Look at the players he’s acquired. Hajek, Lindgren, Howden. Three high character future leaders. We invested our 7th overall on another future leader in Andersson.

Gortons doing it right.

So you are saying Tavares and EK will look for monsters contracts AND will want an opportunity to win a Cup. Your conclusion is the Rangers are not a good fit. Then what team is? What team has financial flexibility to afford them and a strong enough supporting cast to be a true contender? I’m not saying this is Gorton’s plan but honestly anyone who say they know are out to lunch. He’s always been mum on his plans and you have to acknowledge that he has means to afford these elites of the NHL and a reasonable blueprint for a quick turnaround that they could buy into (if it were his plan).

 

[TheTakedown]

Hayes seems like he'd be too lazy to force anyone to do anything. He'd would be the guy who passes out after downing onion rings.

That's definitely Hayes lmao

 

[duhmetreE]

Because it’s been made pretty clear the Rangers were also listening to offers for him. If you’re expecting the Rangers to sign him long term after his next contract is up, I think you’re going to be disappointed.

Wasn't it said, that if someone was to overpay, he was available. I took that as, 'Erat for Forsberg' type deal.

 

[NYR Viper]

Really hoping for Zucc to Dallas for Spezza, 2018 #1, Tufte and Nyberg.

That’s a lot it seems

 

[TheTakedown]

Yup, when he'd walk into the room a lot of rookies would get really quiet. Vesey is a really nervous guy and one time they were shopping for shoes and the shoes Vesey was trying on didn't fit properly but he was too nervous to say anything, the lady was bent over tying them up for him and he got an erection so he put his hand in his pocket to hide it, when the lady looked at him odd for having his hand in his pocket he pulled his wallet out and said I'll take em! Even though they didn't fit at all. When she was packing the shoes up Miller told the lady that they don't fit but he was too nervous to say anything so she went to the back to get a different size, this made Vesey even more embarrassed so he ran out of the store with just his socks on. Left a $900 pair of Saint Laurent Boots there and Miller didn't even bother retrieving them for him.

He'd start playing Mika's songs in the lockerroom and make him feel awkward, he'd make Staal do eye exams with this dumb little sheet with the letters on it that he carries everywhere with him. He'd tell borderline NHL'ers like Carey, Desharnais, Kampfer to beat it and get a real job. That's actually one of the reasons we kept Glass for so long, he was the one borderline NHL'er who stood up to him, he beat the crap out of him last playoffs in a Denny's parking lot (Vesey took a video of it for revenge for the shoe fiasco) and since then Miller's changed his tune but it was too late.

wait, this is all true???